ASA July lines...

[crj567]

So you need reminders in this forum to help you determine when scheduling is pushing you too hard?

-Dude-

-What the hell is your avatar? That just gives me a headache.

 

[1080P]

The problem isn't the red arrows, they're a symptom. The problem is having a huge force of reserves who operate known open time, creating an artificially high number of "reserves required" per day and the associated red arrows. The company started to use reserves to fly known open time right about the time the red arrows became so prolific.

Very true

 

[Flybywire44]

But but... then they couldn't operate the schedule and open time with complete control over 25% of the pilots schedules. And if all the reserves are operating the schedule, well, then we'll have red arrows cause no one is available to cover sick calls and irops. Then we'll beg for more reserves to alleviate red arrows.. who will then operate the schedule...leaving none for sick calls and irops...

The problem isn't the red arrows, they're a symptom. The problem is having a huge force of reserves who operate known open time, creating an artificially high number of "reserves required" per day and the associated red arrows. The company started to use reserves to fly known open time right about the time the red arrows became so prolific.

Why is the union ignoring this? Why is this acceptable? Are reserves happy with this? I guess our reserve pilots are more qualified and current than ever, but they're also exhausted and overworked.

 

[Flybywire44]

*opps

 

[COOPERVANE]

Why is the union ignoring this? Why is this acceptable? Are reserves happy with this? I guess our reserve pilots are more qualified and current than ever, but they're also exhausted and overworked.

Happy? We have been warning Mgmt for over a month that this summer will meltdown if we don't get some relief. NO ONE listened. Even our fellow pilots ignored this and continued to scream about not being able to move their days off. Only NOW when they are being junior manned and extended does anyone care.

But not about the reserves. We don't matter.

The union reps are hiding. They are totally silent on this issue. No returned E-mails and phone calls.

Remember all the campaign posters in the crew lounge?
"I will listen to and respond to all members concerns, blah, blah, blah"

What is the process to recall?

 

[crj567]

Why is the union ignoring this? Why is this acceptable? Are reserves happy with this? I guess our reserve pilots are more qualified and current than ever, but they're also exhausted and overworked.

Why is our union ignoring EVERYTHING!?!

ALPA handed them PBS on a silver platter, they have let many contract violations just slide over the past few months, and what did we get for all this goodwill?

-Probable vacation cancellations!

-Gee, thanks!

 

[Tarzan]

Why is our union ignoring EVERYTHING!?!

ALPA handed them PBS on a silver platter, they have let many contract violations just slide over the past few months, and what did we get for all this goodwill?

-Probable vacation cancellations!

-Gee, thanks!

What is your solution? I've bugged a couple of goons lately about much of this stuff. I guess the stuff has gone out but the grievance process all the way to arbitrator can take almost a year. What are they supposed to do? The red arrow thing is going back to a mediator and then on to the arbitrator but the time frame takes us well beyond PBS start up. Annoys the hell out of me but what else can we really do short of an illegal work action? That in itself won't solve anything either. all it will do is make us look worse to potential customers.

Don't worry though. Come September, everyone will be complaining about lack of flying.

As far as the goons go, I've never had a hard time with them getting back to me. Don't always get the answers I want but how I can stand there and beat my chest when the contract gives the company the ability to do this sort of stuff?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Hey Joe,

How much time did you spend on reserve?

About 2 years under far worse scheduling rules and a ruthless head of scheduling....Erion....Most of you wouldn't have lasted under those conditions. You do realize that back then, being on call was considered "rest" don't you?

Simply put, the rules for reserves are far better than they have ever been. The company is far more reasonable than they have ever been. The schedulers are far nicer than they were in the past. In addition, stagnation isn't something new...It has happened before. This is the third downturn I have seen.

 

[OCP]

What makes the "I had it worse than you" thing OK? Yes you did. Then people made it better. Things still needed to be fixed, so we strive for that.

 

[crj567]

About 2 years under far worse scheduling rules and a ruthless head of scheduling....Erion....Most of you wouldn't have lasted under those conditions. You do realize that back then, being on call was considered "rest" don't you?

Simply put, the rules for reserves are far better than they have ever been. The company is far more reasonable than they have ever been. The schedulers are far nicer than they were in the past. In addition, stagnation isn't something new...It has happened before. This is the third downturn I have seen.

Joe-

I prepared a long response, but I think this will pretty much sum it up:

-SHUT UP, YOU POMPUS GASBAG!

-Go and find some other battle to fight-our guys don't need some inane lecture about how your past supposedly sucked more than theirs!!

-How useless can you get? Go and find some RJDC literature to jerk off to!