Airtran Opens App Window April 1st 0900

[coonass]

Wow the online app was only open for 28 hours. I wonder how many apps they received this time.

 

[Lear70]

Using your numbers of a cost increase of $0.0025 per ASM, our new contract would cost Airtran around $60 million per year (based on 24 billion ASMs per year). Add on top of that $35-40 million for signing bonus.

It's not going to be quite that high for a total dollar amount in the end. Remember, that's the PROPOSAL, which is, of course, artificially high to give room to negotiate. That said, I'd be highly shocked if the total sticker price to a T.A. that's put out for ratification didn't fall somewhere in the $150-170 Million range over a 4 year Agreement.

And people wonder why management is so mad at me after starting the fight to kill T.A.'s 1 and 2 which were less than 1/10th of that price...

Airtran management ain't going to fork over that kind of money without a fight or serious threat of work stoppage. The strike vote is going to be a crucial step in convincing our management we are serious. The next 3-6 months is also a great time to be topping off your strike savings fund.

Ayuh.

Wow the online app was only open for 28 hours. I wonder how many apps they received this time.

I wouldn't worry. It's been up and down that whole time. If I were a betting man, I'd say it'll likely be open again on Monday sometime. Keep trying, and good luck!

p.s. Management reads these boards, as does HR. No, I'm not kidding. I'd change your screen name to something more professional than "coonass" or never, ever, ever tell anyone who you are on here (it was one of OUR pilots who outed my identity to management during the pilot group's struggle to kill T.A. 1 - he wanted it to pass).

Management keeps a list of who people are on here and it's come back to bite at least 4 pilots I know of. No lie. I've seen the union files on it during my grievance fight. Just FYI.

 

[GuppyWN]

2500 turbine with 500 121 PIC is huge. While you're at it why don't you put on the application "we want experienced pilots who won't let us push them around and will demand industry standard pay."

Tacitcal error in my eyes but good for Tranny guys.

Gup

 

[PCL_128]

It's not going to be quite that high for a total dollar amount in the end. Remember, that's the PROPOSAL, which is, of course, artificially high to give room to negotiate.

Actually, I would guess the proposal is quite a bit more than that. Remember, that's just straight pay rates, but we've also got retirement, insurance, rigs, etc.

 

[mad691]

Using your numbers of a cost increase of $0.0025 per ASM, our new contract would cost Airtran around $60 million per year (based on 24 billion ASMs per year). Add on top of that $35-40 million for signing bonus. Airtran management ain't going to fork over that kind of money without a fight or serious threat of work stoppage. The strike vote is going to be a crucial step in convincing our management we are serious. The next 3-6 months is also a great time to be topping off your strike savings fund.

With the added bonus numbers you put in that would make bring our total CASM to 9.71 cents. Total labor cost per ASM would be 2.35 cents. Next lowest competetor is SWA with 10.29CASM(2009 numbers). SWA labor costs per ASM was 3.54 cents in 2009. Still can can afford it.

FUPM

 

[Lear70]

Actually, I would guess the proposal is quite a bit more than that. Remember, that's just straight pay rates, but we've also got retirement, insurance, rigs, etc.

Wow, then it's definitely higher than what I had estimated just from base pay rates, a decrease in our medical costs, and retirements. I haven't seen the rigs yet and don't know what that would do to staffing, but if it's significant, then yeah, it's going to get a bit closer to SWA CASM, that's for certain.

Again, no wonder they're so pi$$ed... But, that's life. The cost of doing business goes up, payroll is no different. As long as they can afford it (and they obviously can), then I see nothing to stand in the way of those reasonable demands.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

2500 turbine with 500 121 PIC is huge. While you're at it why don't you put on the application "we want experienced pilots who won't let us push them around and will demand industry standard pay."

Tacitcal error in my eyes but good for Tranny guys.

Gup

At least they'll get good qualified pilots, rather than the old "checkbook club."
You know the ones that could only get hired at certain companies becasue of their pft program!

 

[thunderworm]

i must have missed it but how many are they planning to hire. I thought it was 2500tt 1000 turbine 500 121. seems pretty standard to me.

 

[Lear70]

Word on the street is 95 this year.

As far as pretty standard, no, the 121 PIC requirement isn't at very many carriers. PIC Turbine? Absolutely. PIC 121? Not really. The 121 time really cuts out the corporate/charter guys, which sucks for them.

I'm not sure why our HR has that in place, maybe to make sure there isn't a culture shock from the change to our company, but like Guppy said, it has the unintended consequence of making sure that every pilot they hire knows full well the problems of Scope givebacks, as well as being keenly aware of what an industry-average paycheck looks like, hence the defeat of the last two T.A.'s, the removal of the NPA, and the push for a reasonable contract.

 

[dude100]

I can't find the link to apply on the Airtran site. Anyone know where it is?

 

[JerryLundegaard]

They don't hire aliens.

 

[Monster Buck]

Snicker ..........

Are you the tool DAL Captain who lectures AirTran jumpseaters ? If not ... Enjoy the 15 year upgrade on a DC9 and thanks for the support.

I have never seen a more placid kool aid drinking group than DAL. Bend over and enjoy.

Actually our fo's don't need to upgrade to make your captain pay rates. Your junior 6th yr captain is sitting reserve for 127 hr, our 6th year fo is sitting on the 767 making 116 with international override, not to mention with a sweet sched. If on the 767 400 as an fo its 131 with the international. No problem waiting.

 

[stall022]

Actually our fo's don't need to upgrade to make your captain pay rates. Your junior 6th yr captain is sitting reserve for 127 hr, our 6th year fo is sitting on the 767 making 116 with international override, not to mention with a sweet sched. If on the 767 400 as an fo its 131 with the international. No problem waiting.

Normally I do not support bashing, but he did say DC9 not 767-400. Out of the 13 types of aircraft that DL flies (including the 787), only 5 of those types would an FO make more then $127. Now I don't know the percent of FO's flying those 5 types, maybe 20%? Or the percent of 6 year FO's flying those 5 types, but I'm guessing it go senior? The other 8 types 12 year FO's max out between $103 to $119.

So if you really want to compare apples to apples

DL DC9 12 year captain rate $151 with a 65 guarantee
FL 717 12 year captain rate $153 with a 70 guarantee

With that said… Pay must go up industry wide. You may now return to infighting and bashing while management laughs all the way to the bank.

 

[Monster Buck]

Normally I do not support bashing, but he did say DC9 not 767-400. Out of the 13 types of aircraft that DL flies (including the 787), only 5 of those types would an FO make more then $127. Yes but a six year can choose that, regardless of how many it is. Now I don't know the percent of FO's flying those 5 types, maybe 20%? Or the percent of 6 year FO's flying those 5 types, but I'm guessing it go senior? The other 8 types 12 year FO's max out between $103 to $119.

So if you really want to compare apples to apples

DL DC9 12 year captain rate $151 with a 65 guarantee
FL 717 12 year captain rate $153 with a 70 guarantee

With that said… Pay must go up industry wide. You may now return to infighting and bashing while management laughs all the way to the bank.

I agree with most everything you said, btw I was responding to his comment about me as as DAL pilot. Also there is a big disparity between your fo pay and ours. I'm not saying apple to apple I know, I was responding to his bash that we have a longer upgrade. We don't need to upgrade to make six figures, we can do that in the same amount of time it takes Airtran pilots, yours is an upgrade ours is a larger plane.
And I honestly hope that changes for Airtran, for every one's' sake.

 

[milflyboy]

121 PIC or military equivalent - 500 hours

What is military equivalent of 121 PIC. Just multicrew?

 

[felixf16]

Great in theory, but...

Actually our fo's don't need to upgrade to make your captain pay rates. Your junior 6th yr captain is sitting reserve for 127 hr, our 6th year fo is sitting on the 767 making 116 with international override, not to mention with a sweet sched. If on the 767 400 as an fo its 131 with the international. No problem waiting.

Monster,

I'm not sure how long you've been at Delta, but I was hired there in the Fall of 1999 and would now be a senior -88 F/O in MSP had I stayed around. I have buds on the ER in ATL, now in their tenth year with the company, who cannot hold a line in that seat.

I'm not saying that $127 per hour for a six-year captain is reasonable pay. It's not.

I merely question whether the quality of life and pay you espouse actually exists for a six-year FO at Delta.

Felix

 

[dicko]

Monster,

I'm not sure how long you've been at Delta, but I was hired there in the Fall of 1999 and would now be a senior -88 F/O in MSP had I stayed around. I have buds on the ER in ATL, now in their tenth year with the company, who cannot hold a line in that seat.

I'm not saying that $127 per hour for a six-year captain is reasonable pay. It's not.

I merely question whether the quality of life and pay you espouse actually exists for a six-year FO at Delta.

Felix

Exactly. The 'Monster Buck' isn't making Monster Bucks.

No Captain at AirTran is making guarantee by the way. Even reserves credit between 85 to 110 hours a month. It sucks but those are the numbers.

I hope both companies pay goes up substantially. Monster; Educate yourself before you point the pay finger. When you're finished educating yourself, concentrate on raising your own bad pay.

Enjoy the 9. It's a great airplane

 

[DeucesWild]

I'd change your screen name to something more professional

How do you do that?

 

[MarineGrunt]

What is military equivalent of 121 PIC. Just multicrew?

Military PIC time I'd guess. I don't have 500 mil PIC, but I'm applying anyway. :nuts:

 

[LSmall]

AirTran Official Pilot Hiring Numbers

I got this from another site:

AirTran hired 26 pilots in March and plans to hire 93 pilots between July and December 2010. The application window opens April 1. Applicants must fill out the on-line application to be considered.

My friend said Floy Ponder came into the recurrent class and said they would be interviewing at a job fair out west.