Flexjet Recalls Two Flight Attendants, Janitor

[notapilot]

It's too bad your good manners didn't rub off on Notpolite..I mean Notapilot.. Talk about damned if you do, damned if you don't. First he complained about you talking in "code" when you were trying to have a discreet conversation with others. Then when you fully explained your concerns at his urging he responds with intimidation and complains that you said too much....
I only provide the rope. I don't ask that anyone hang by it.
Too easy.

FW, it was clear that you were speculating so it wasn't libel.
I would look up the legal definition of libel. If you want I can post it. Her message went beyond speculation. Would anyone pursue it in court, probably not. Could her statements be grounds for a lawyer to pursue her identity from FI, probably so.

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[notapilot]

SE, it's not a union drum; it's a belief in fairness and wanting to see all of the frac pilots/families attaining the protections and professional compensation they deserve. If you guys know another way to achieve a legally binding contract I'd love to hear about it. If there is a better way to raise the bar for the industry, give pilots a voice in their career, and frac families peace of mind, I will gladly support it.

I don't know what abuses went on at Netjets before being saved by the union.
Do I feel like I am treated unfairly? No
Do I feel unfairly compensated? No
Your annoying banter about raising the bar points to your own greedy motives. We are not abused puppies that need to be saved. This is the demeaning tone all your messages extrude.

 

[netjetwife]

Last I checked your name wasn't Smartelephant... And I actually think that Notpolite is more fitting, but nonetheless....

The subject is pay and working rules for pilots (hint, hint) and many are still far below the industry standard for both. There are others who are satisfied, but they don't have a contract and are subject to the whims of management. Thus, they lack a valuable commodity -- peace of mind.

Abused puppies...:erm: Your disparaging words, not mine. We're obviously not thinking of the same hardworking professional aviators.

Greedy... also not applicable. But it does bring up the subject of attitudes, in this instance self-absorption. We aren't talking about your compensation or your treatment. FW and I were both talking about issues facing frac pilots and their families--a group that doesn't include you.

 

[netjetwife]

For those who are curious....the applicable parts of a longer version.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/libel

Libel 1) n. to publish in print ... an untruth about another which will do harm to that person or his/her reputation, by tending to bring the target into ridicule, hatred, scorn or contempt of others. None of those reactions were posted on the thread which represented a group more inclined to react thus. It is a tort (civil wrong) making the person or entity open to a lawsuit for damages by the person who can prove the statement about him/her was a lie. Publication .. must be a statement which claims to be fact, and is not clearly identified as an opinion. .... The pertinent discussion was clearly labeled as a suspicion beforehand. Proof of malice, There was none, only concern for those affected by the business arrangement. however, does allow a party defamed to sue for "general damages" for damage to reputation, while an inadvertent libel limits the damages to actual harm (such as loss of business) called "special damages." A huuuge stretch that no one would seriously claim. Most states provide for a party defamed by a periodical to demand a published retraction. If the correction is made, then there is no right to file a lawsuit. FW did that several times: by direct implication that her opinion could be proven to be wrong; when she denied she was making claims; stated that she was, instead, asking questions; volunteered that part of her info was third hand; and admitted that she may not have all the facts.

I suggest that those who chastise posters for making vague, discreet statements then urge them to provide details, all the while planning to trap them, are guilty of having a hidden agenda. Luckily, those who carry "ropes" are easy to spot. FI members who wish to levy a fine for such disingenuous behavior can do so by placing "trappers" on their ignore list.

Note to self: don't look for Notpolite ...the name is notapilot...

 

[B19 Flyer]

Last I checked your name wasn't Smartelephant... And I actually think that Notpolite is more fitting, but nonetheless....

The subject is pay and working rules for pilots (hint, hint) and many are still far below the industry standard for both. There are others who are satisfied, but they don't have a contract and are subject to the whims of management. Thus, they lack a valuable commodity -- peace of mind.

Abused puppies...:erm: Your disparaging words, not mine. We're obviously not thinking of the same hardworking professional aviators.

Greedy... also not applicable. But it does bring up the subject of attitudes, in this instance self-absorption. We aren't talking about your compensation or your treatment. FW and I were both talking about issues facing frac pilots and their families--a group that doesn't include you.

You need to remember something about NJW... you see, in her opinion, rank and file workers could have been pilots if they wanted to be and because they made other career choices they will always be subject to the whims of any union that may threaten their careers.

She only cares about pilots... she has made that very clear in her previous posts.

She doesn't care about the financial health of the company or any other individual as long as pilots are well compensated.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Would the real NJW please stand up...

Last I checked your name wasn't Smartelephant... And I actually think that Notpolite is more fitting, but nonetheless....

The subject is pay and working rules for pilots (hint, hint) and many are still far below the industry standard for both. There are others who are satisfied, but they don't have a contract and are subject to the whims of management. Thus, they lack a valuable commodity -- peace of mind.

Abused puppies...:erm: Your disparaging words, not mine. We're obviously not thinking of the same hardworking professional aviators.

Greedy... also not applicable. But it does bring up the subject of attitudes, in this instance self-absorption. We aren't talking about your compensation or your treatment. FW and I were both talking about issues facing frac pilots and their families--a group that doesn't include you.

Would the real NJW please stand up...


http://forums.flightinfo.com/showpost.php?p=1527412&postcount=101

 

[flex*wife]

I would look up the legal definition of libel. If you want I can post it. Her message went beyond speculation. Would anyone pursue it in court, probably not. Could her statements be grounds for a lawyer to pursue her identity from FI, probably so......

Wow you're really just a big bully aren't you? I guess you're trying to scare me and in the process scare anybody who might try to effect change at Flex. Typical.

The problem for you is that my ego's not involved where as yours clearly is. First off whatever opInions I stated were done with an intent to better the company not harm it. I never said Flex did anything illegal (which be the only basis for a libelous claim) I clearly stated they skirted those issues which basically just means above the law but fuzzy to some people.

Memership to this board comes with an implied anonimity. Do you really think
these guys are so stupid that they would risk there business model over some petty pissing contest you want to start? You're dreaming.

So stop trying to scare people from discussing issues you are nervous about.

Why is that by the way? Why so uninterested in open and honest discussion.
I love the fact you bully instead of counterpoint...

Now I've got kids to get up for the bus which is far more important than
wasting my time on a lost cause.

 

[dime line]

Would the real NJW please stand up...


http://forums.flightinfo.com/showpost.php?p=1527412&postcount=101

So in your wacked out world, what was wrong with what NJW said. I agree 100% with what she said. I bet you, outside of FI, agree with her.

 

[Imissmypilot]

I have never received a check from BJS.

One last item. My checks all say "Bombardier Aerospace Corporation" on them.

This got me curious so I went and looked back. CL300 pilot is correct, but so is FW. Currently they do have “Bombardier Aerospace Corp” on them, but if you go back to the December 2007 they did say BJS. That qualifies to me as a quite a bit than the “just a little while ago” statement FW made, but that’s semantics. She was right. In Flex’s defense I would imagine it was the legal separation of the two parties that caused the switch but I’m just guessing and I’m not “in the know”.

As for the recent firing she referred to it sounds to me like she is perhaps confused and mixing up the details of a few different incidents but that’s what the rumor mill will get you. Parts of the story are true for one case, true for a few others. Not every one resulted in the axe. Misrepresentation yes but enough facts are correct it should be a cause for concern for any one of us. Mistakes happen to everyone. I sure don’t want to be made the example. But again in Flex’s defense regarding the guys who were let go this wasn’t their first carpet dance.

 

[B19 Flyer]

So in your wacked out world, what was wrong with what NJW said. I agree 100% with what she said. I bet you, outside of FI, agree with her.

Your career can go from the pilot's seat to a desk in the blink of an eye.

When you are forced to sit behind that desk and no longer can used those skills that you worked so hard for you suddenly realize how much risk YOU take at the hand of a "union business" created to fund their own.

Hopefully you will never have that happen, but if it does you will realize that the financial strength and stability of the company will mean a lot more than your individual paycheck.

And there is nothing that NJW could ever write that I would agree with. She's an expert housewife and might cook a mean macaroni and cheese, but until she actually works in the industry her opinions have no basis for fact.

She doesn't even qualify as a rank and file employee she so freely disrespects.

Right now, there are a lot of pilots and laid off personnel at both FLOPS and NJ that understand exactly what I'm saying.

Unions haven't protected those pilots and didn't give a crap about any pilot losing his medical and now flying a desk for a career.