UPS furloughing 300

[Rez O. Lewshun]

wow...... tell us how you really feel... don't hold back....

 

[redflyer65]

If they are raking in cash each quarter, there should be no reason for them to furlough.

Hope management enjoys the 'new normal' on time rates.

You guys are the heart of the operation, can believe they would mess with that. Oh well.

 

[C-150ETOPS]

wow...... tell us how you really feel... don't hold back....

Nope, gotta hold back on the true feelings. All those ridiculous and overzealous laws about threats across state lines and easy access to my ISP address really cramps my literary creativity in expressing my true feelings. :nuts:

I think I smell something

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Nope, gotta hold back on the true feelings. All those ridiculous and overzealous laws about threats across state lines and easy access to my ISP address really cramps my literary creativity in expressing my true feelings. :nuts:

I think I smell something

Yeah, a huge corporate cleveland steamer with a reverse tea bag.....

 

[Benjamin Dover]

Really pick up open time with your buds on the street? Are you serious? Better take a deep look inside?

Ask around. There isn't an airline out there that didn't have dudes picking up open time with guys on furlough. Only way around it to have it in contract like UPS. Otherwise, greed or "extra time lifestyle" will prevail.

 

[satpak77]

this is pretty unfortunate. When UPS furloughs (and SWA nervously dodging the furlough disease so far...) the industry is really in the dumps.

good luck guys

 

[MILPILOT17]

Ask around. There isn't an airline out there that didn't have dudes picking up open time with guys on furlough. Only way around it to have it in contract like UPS. Otherwise, greed or "extra time lifestyle" will prevail.

Southwest!

 

[rider850]

Ups

Look, there is no need to furlough 3oo UPS guys, r u serious??? It is a political statement.

AA wants to furlough 178 MORE, wtf?? yet they want to spend 1.4 billion on JAL?

You forgot to add that AMR is also hiring 150 pilots on the AE side.

 

[maru657]

Bad news for the UPS pilots out there - sorry to hear about it.

One person you can also thank is Barry Hussein Obama (aka "the Socialist") and his proposed tax on interantional/multinational profits. That sure won't help companies with significant international exposure like UPS and Fedex. That will definitely impact the bottom line. Thanks to everyone on these boards who voted him into office.
Yep, it was Bama who started two wars while cutting taxes for his rich buddies. It was Bama who left this country deeper in debt than it's ever been and hovering on the precipace of another "great depression", with oil prices at record highs and U.S. currency valued at record lows.
Yep, that's worked so well.

 

[BoilerUP]

Yep, it was Bama who started two wars while cutting taxes for his rich buddies. It was Bama who left this country deeper in debt than it's ever been and hovering on the precipace of another "great depression", with oil prices at record highs and U.S. currency valued at record lows.
Yep, that's worked so well.

Oil came down SUBSTANTIALLY during the fall & winter of 2008, GWB's last year in office; in fact it was in the mid-$40 range when Obama was inaugurated.

Also, the Bush Administration was in office as deficits & national debt soared (including keeping the cost of the Iraq war off-book, a crime against future generations IMO)...but thus far during Obama's administration both the deficit and the national debt have only increased. Did you see the Obama budget proposal that had a deficit around 40% the total budget?!? The government wouldn't pass a 100-level personal finance class with fiscal responsibility like that.

Just because GWB made a bad situation worse (debt) doesn't mean BHO should make it even worse.

That said, I'm constantly amazed at both the left and the right and how POTUS gets far too much of the blame when things go wrong...and far too much of the credit when things go right. I guess that's the life of quarterbacking this country, eh?

 

[RCA]

Completely false and unfounded. The proposed tax will help keep jobs in this country. Stop WATCHING FOX NEWS. I could go on but when your so naive what is the point? Stop listening to the corporate propaganda from the lobbyists and their paid for: congressman and senators.

Let's hope your right.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/03/news/economy/jobs_march/index.htm

 

[EMBPILOT1]

Bad news for the UPS pilots out there - sorry to hear about it.

One person you can also thank is Barry Hussein Obama (aka "the Socialist") and his proposed tax on interantional/multinational profits. That sure won't help companies with significant international exposure like UPS and Fedex. That will definitely impact the bottom line. Thanks to everyone on these boards who voted him into office.
Yep, it was Bama who started two wars while cutting taxes for his rich buddies. It was Bama who left this country deeper in debt than it's ever been and hovering on the precipace of another "great depression", with oil prices at record highs and U.S. currency valued at record lows.
Yep, that's worked so well.

Hey man, turn off MSNBC and come back to reality. Everyone in D.C. shares the blame for this economic mess.

 

[Benjamin Dover]

Southwest!

Not sure what you mean, but if we ever did furlough here, we would have plenty of "somebody is going to fly that trip, might as well be me" VJA guys, just like everywhere else.

 

[Raoul Duke]

No we do not have anything like that in our contract and there will be no concessions as far as the group is concerned. We did the VJPP (Voluntary Job Protection Plan) to mitigate furloughs and we were 10 million dollars short of the total that was set up to keep from furloughing through 2011. UPS wants to open the contract and get concessions and even the bottom 300 pilots, that post on the forums, think concessions are a bad thing. We'll never see it again if we concede to gutting the contract...been there done that and don't want to do it again....

Furloughs are an overstaffing issue and concessions are a lack of profit issue. UPS yanked in 2.1 Billion Net Profits in 2009 and yet they did this with about 120 crews sitting at home. Not to mention parking 3 man airplanes and shutting down Dallas and cutting flights in and out of Rockford. We have mechanics that are laid off and they just cut 1800 mid management jobs and I'm hearing that Atlanta is confused as to why there are so many management pilots. They just opened up a can of worms and the IPA is digging in their heels. The Executive Board has already sent out a letter banning any open time and JA flying (except for the 170 bottom guys) and unlike the other airlines I have flown for... this language is in our contract and the union CAN come out and put a ban on it legally. We'll see what ends up happening, but these morons wanted to furlough so they could have hostages for section 6 negotiations in a couple of years and they want the contract opened up and efficiencies brought in... like PBS and 2008 pay rates and on and on and on. These f&^king idiots made this announcement today and we're suppose to get a big snow/ice storm come through here. Wow.... I wonder if the sort is gonna be on time tonight. Hahaha.... unfreakinbelievable is all I can say.

Net

I just did some quick math, if the Company is seeking $10 million and there are 2500 pilots (I cant remember what the first post said) you are talking $4,000 per pilot. If that was split between productivity and a slight pay reduction and saves the jobs it seems like a reasonable solution.

 

[relief tube]

yay age 65.

All the old ********************s can stay on and keep more guys from collecting a paycheck.

62 year olds- get a hobby and retire. Non of us want you here.

 

[Networ-King]

I just did some quick math, if the Company is seeking $10 million and there are 2500 pilots (I cant remember what the first post said) you are talking $4,000 per pilot. If that was split between productivity and a slight pay reduction and saves the jobs it seems like a reasonable solution.

You are absolutely correct .... well.. you're close, but it's all moot now. UPS wants hostages because they want concessions to the contract. AIN'T HAPPENING. We already had plenty of pilots.... almost 2200 donate some time or money in one way or another to keep from furloughing any pilots. If the other 600 would have been just a little giving then we wouldn't have this problem, but...well... you know that greedy f*&ks are at every airline. Time will tell, but in less than 48 hours we've had lots of things go wrong in the system. ANC 747-400 still hadn't blocked out 18:30 after departure time because they had no crews accepting JA's. Ha... that is a tiny tiny tiiiiinnnyyyy little schmeckle of the tip of the iceberg. I can go on and on and on, but it's time for my nap.....

NET

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Yep, it was Bama who started two wars while cutting taxes for his rich buddies. It was Bama who left this country deeper in debt than it's ever been and hovering on the precipace of another "great depression", with oil prices at record highs and U.S. currency valued at record lows.
Yep, that's worked so well.

Please turn off msnbc. It's clouding your judgement and thinking.

 

[chppr5]

Please turn off msnbc. It's clouding your judgement and thinking.

Yea, put Fox on.....it's fair and balanced, remember???

 

[Flybet3]

Its time for PILOTS to TOUGHEN up.

CYA

HA HA HA F-ING HA! That was funny. Please say more

 

[bunman45]

Here is the "big picture"

If you're a union airline pilot, and you suddenly become ill at the smell of something resembling that of a extended fart of a vulture that has been feeding on the rectum of a bloated, rotting carcass of a diseased pig that is slowly bobbing in the shallow brown water of an excrement filled open sewer, you most likely will find an AIRCON card carrying member of your airline's management nearby trying to fill his empty head with figures, charts and graphs as to what a overpaid POS you are.

Sounds like you know my ex!