UPS furloughing 300

[chignutsak]

The company is "reinstating pay raises for 40,000 after freezing management wages in 2009". They posted record profits for 2009 by squeezing more blood from every pebble. Yet they are hammering the pilot group. What about the management pilots? Unfreakinbelievable.

 

[swa737-700]

What's wrong with picking up open time? Somebodies gotta do it.

instructordude. Are you really that clueless or are you just plain insensitive? If no one picks up open time, they will need to keep the pilots who are about to get f'ed...and you see, then they would not get f'ed!! Pretty simple if you even start to think about it.

 

[TWA Dude]

instructordude. Are you really that clueless or are you just plain insensitive?

He's a troll. Please ignore.

 

[waveflyer]

great.
this is Obama's fault and age 65 had nothing at all to do with it.
get real if you think either are true.
Fight's on UPS- i know too many of your guys- i'm not sure what the pencil necked accountant's were thinking- but make sure you correllate it and they know what it costs to take hostages.

 

[Quiet Flight]

Age 65 has a LOT to do with this. Junior UPS guy, you're welcome. They should furlough from the top...

 

[johnsonrod]

Age 65 has a LOT to do with this. Junior UPS guy, you're welcome. They should furlough from the top...

That's rich coming from a SWA pilot. Your pilot group pretty much led the Age 65 campaign... A lot of your senior pilots were extremely vocal advocates (much louder than other groups that I recall).

 

[AnimalTale]

That's rich coming from a SWA pilot. Your pilot group pretty much led the Age 65 campaign... A lot of your senior pilots were extremely vocal advocates (much louder than other groups that I recall).

Its funny. The momentum is on mngmt's side. One COMPLETE S.O.S. should realign this career and allow a "balance" to foster. Of course, someone will pay for calling the SOS but that is the sacrifice for this Battle.

Look, there is no need to furlough 3oo UPS guys, r u serious??? It is a political statement.

AA wants to furlough 178 MORE, wtf?? yet they want to spend 1.4 billion on JAL?

I am all for capitalism and business opportunities. I want our managers to be creative and PROFITABLE but I WANT then to STOP SCREWING their employees or USING them as bargaining chips.

Its time for PILOTS to TOUGHEN up.

CYA

 

[Max Powers]

Bad news for the UPS pilots out there - sorry to hear about it.

One person you can also thank is Barry Hussein Obama (aka "the Socialist") and his proposed tax on interantional/multinational profits. That sure won't help companies with significant international exposure like UPS and Fedex. That will definitely impact the bottom line. Thanks to everyone on these boards who voted him into office... You are also partly responsible for the pace of the super-slow economic turnaround that is killing jobs. Sorry to get political but it's the truth. And no, Palin would also be a terrible President. It's very, very simple: we need a fiscal conservative at the helm.

Good luck to all the UPS pilots impacted - hope you get your jobs back soon.

Completely false and unfounded. The proposed tax will help keep jobs in this country. Stop WATCHING FOX NEWS. I could go on but when your so naive what is the point? Stop listening to the corporate propaganda from the lobbyists and their paid for: congressman and senators.

 

[BoilerUP]

Has there ever been a tariff imposed that didn't have unexpected, negative economic consequences?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

AA wants to furlough 178 MORE, wtf?? yet they want to spend 1.4 billion on JAL?

The finds come from other sources/investors...

I am all for capitalism and business opportunities. I want our managers to be creative and PROFITABLE but I WANT then to STOP SCREWING their employees or USING them as bargaining chips.

Talk like that will get labeled a socialist.... ssssssh

 

[Cruncher]

UPS reported a Net Profit of $1.26 billion, with a "B"!!!! That's profit, after everything else is paid for, money in the bank! Yea, they should furloughing, times seem tough for them!

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com...4901-52547&type=sect&dcn=0000950123-10-007701

For the guy who asked if you would rather furlough 300 guys or take a 40% pay cut. Do you think a 40% paycut across the entire pilot group is equal to the salary of 300 junior FOs? Maybe I missed the point of your statement.

2008 UPS had over $26 billion in compensation / salaries (I can't find the pilot breakout directly, but lemme take a stab and say they take 20% of that number [albeit a very conservative swag], $520 million). 40% of that is $208 million! As much as I like to think I am worth that much, I am not, nor are 300 junior FOs!

 

[Cruncher]

Really pick up open time with your buds on the street? Are you serious? Better take a deep look inside?

 

[MILPILOT17]

Really pick up open time with your buds on the street? Are you serious? Better take a deep look inside?

There's no "we" in "I"? You've met those people I'm sure?

 

[ThisistheDream]

I dont think it matters how much a company makes if they have extra people around then they really need, they will layoff and make even more..It really sucks for the employees but a way of life in the business world!!! It would be nice to see less multi million dollar bonus for a few and better wages for all!!!!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I dont think it matters how much a company makes if they have extra people around then they really need, they will layoff and make even more..It really sucks for the employees but a way of life in the business world!!! It would be nice to see less multi million dollar bonus for a few and better wages for all!!!!

There are creative ways to keep the 300 especially with big profits.... however, pilots are not the only effected employees... thus a CBA comes in handy.

 

[Jetjockey]

You see the problem that never shows up on a spreadsheet is the human affect. When you demoralize, degrade, and put an employee through a tremendous financial burden, how productive will that person be when he returns? Yeah, he is fully aware that he was just a number. I've seen first hand what it does to a pilot group (3 times in my career). It pisses off everyone. Save fuel.............yeah right. Not call in sick....whatever. Pick up open time .............NOT (except the Whoores). Save the company money with ideas that improve efficiency.......Yeah, let's give the manager's another bonus.

One CEO had it right, and it still pays off. That is old Herb at SWA. Take care of your employees and EVERYONE benefits. These CLOWN MBA's they pump put now from schools don't have a clue. I doubt they could run a lemonade stand on a hot summer day.

 

[Dizel8]

Bad news for the UPS pilots out there - sorry to hear about it.

One person you can also thank is Barry Hussein Obama (aka "the Socialist") and his proposed tax on interantional/multinational profits.

UPS is making lots of money and you are blaming the President for this??

Nope, didn't vote for him, but really.....?

 

[Abernathy]

UPS reported a Net Profit of $1.26 billion, with a "B"!!!! That's profit, after everything else is paid for, money in the bank! Yea, they should furloughing, times seem tough for them!

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com...4901-52547&type=sect&dcn=0000950123-10-007701

For the guy who asked if you would rather furlough 300 guys or take a 40% pay cut. Do you think a 40% paycut across the entire pilot group is equal to the salary of 300 junior FOs? Maybe I missed the point of your statement.

2008 UPS had over $26 billion in compensation / salaries (I can't find the pilot breakout directly, but lemme take a stab and say they take 20% of that number [albeit a very conservative swag], $520 million). 40% of that is $208 million! As much as I like to think I am worth that much, I am not, nor are 300 junior FOs!

I was using exaggerated numbers without any real thought to thier relative value, but it was to make a point. Eventually what would start as a modest pay cut would probably lead to more concessions. If you give a mouse a cookie....

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Really pick up open time with your buds on the street? Are you serious? Better take a deep look inside?

It happens all the time. There were more then a few NJA pilots foaming at the mouth to vol for extended days as soon as the furlough notice came out. The TURDS always seem to float up when the flushing sound is near.

Good luck UPS guys.

 

[C-150ETOPS]

Here is the "big picture"

UPS just received their membership renewal kit from Aircon.org
It includes a box of 3000 condoms monogrammed with "UPS". Aircon of course realizes the limitations of the typical airline manager, so the monogramming of the condoms is limited to 3 letters or less.

If you're a union airline pilot, and you suddenly become ill at the smell of something resembling that of a extended fart of a vulture that has been feeding on the rectum of a bloated, rotting carcass of a diseased pig that is slowly bobbing in the shallow brown water of an excrement filled open sewer, you most likely will find an AIRCON card carrying member of your airline's management nearby trying to fill his empty head with figures, charts and graphs as to what a overpaid POS you are.