Dal/jal

[ACL65PILOT]

Beer and Hoser:

There are AMR/TWA guys here, and will probably be more.

What I was told, so take it for what it is worth:
Our marketing guys like the 744's. They would like about 25 total (min) to make the fleet work better. They have stated that they have markets they can fill them up and make money in.
This like the 9-50's will probably be the plan until oil goes to 130 per bbl then when the economy sours, they and the 9's will be gone.

It is cyclical ya know!

 

[GogglesPisano]

Not to split hairs but ...

"Marketing" advertises and sells tickets.
"Network Planning" decides what airplanes fly what city pairs, and decides which "markets" to enter/leave.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

G;
Marketing likes the jet, goes to Planning and tells them they can fill it up for em.

 

[RedRum]

20 CPS guys per class and I think none Mesaba. FWIW CPS is capped at 25% of the list per annum.

I am assuming that the Compass pilots that elected not to take part in the flow up / flow down will not be part of the hiring pool at Delta Air Lines.

I understand that some pilots at Compass has disavowed their participation in the flow up agreement that is in place. (Mainly because it allowed them to hang on to their seat if a flow down occurred.)

Does anyone have any information to back this up?

 

[Superpilot92]

I am assuming that the Compass pilots that elected not to take part in the flow up / flow down will not be part of the hiring pool at Delta Air Lines.

I understand that some pilots at Compass has disavowed their participation in the flow up agreement that is in place. (Mainly because it allowed them to hang on to their seat if a flow down occurred.)

Does anyone have any information to back this up?

No one from CPZ has had the opportunity to elect the flow through so therefore no one could have officially turned down the opportunity as of yet.

 

[ExAF]

Not Sure

Not sure about any non-participation clause, but none of them are immune to the flow down should it happen. Participation clause or not.

 

[Superpilot92]

Not sure about any non-participation clause, but none of them are immune to the flow down should it happen. Participation clause or not.

none are protected yet, but as soon as a person gives up the right to flow then that person is ptoteced in their seat.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

none are protected yet, but as soon as a person gives up the right to flow then that person is ptoteced in their seat.

Your correct only 1 thing to add.

Only the top 10% who elect to give up flow rights are protected in their seats and seniority.

Example 400 compass pilots on the seniority list:

0 Compass pilots have elected protected right status and a flow back starts. All Delta pilots would senior to all compass pilots.

20 compass pilots have elected proteted right status and a flow back starts. All delta flow back pilots would be junior to those 20 pilots at compass.

60 compass pilots chose not to flow but only 40 are allowed protected right status and a flow back starts. All delta flow back pilots would be junior to the top 40 compass pilots but senior to any remaining pilots.

 

[Superpilot92]

Your correct only 1 thing to add.

Only the top 10% who elect to give up flow rights are protected in their seats and seniority.

Example 400 compass pilots on the seniority list:

0 Compass pilots have elected protected right status and a flow back starts. All Delta pilots would senior to all compass pilots.

20 compass pilots have elected proteted right status and a flow back starts. All delta flow back pilots would be junior to those 20 pilots at compass.

60 compass pilots chose not to flow but only 40 are allowed protected right status and a flow back starts. All delta flow back pilots would be junior to the top 40 compass pilots but senior to any remaining pilots.

yeah thanks for pointing that out i forgot to mention that 10% of the list could be protected once someone elects to decline flow up status.

As of right now, no one has been given the opportunity to flow so 100% of the seats are available for flowback. Hopefully guys start flowing soon though because i'd love to see some of the compass guys start making the move.

I'd be shocked to see many turn down the flow though unless they were old guys with not much time left. It should be a no brainer for most imho

 

[FBN0223]

Compass airlines is a joke. It's nothing more than an airline created via a BK, "gun to our heads" contract. For most pilots at Delta, flowing back is not an option because of the pathetic pay that ALPA negotiated for them. A flow-up to Delta for Compass pilots should involve a four-phase interview and a probationary period just like it was for every new-hire who was fNWA or fDAL.

I am sure Compass has some good people, nonetheless, hiring at Delta should be focused on hiring the best pilots, not just a bunch of pilots who where willing to fly OUR jets at a fraction of the price.

 

[Superpilot92]

Compass airlines is a joke. It's nothing more than an airline created via a BK, "gun to our heads" contract. For most pilots at Delta, flowing back is not an option because of the pathetic pay that ALPA negotiated for them. A flow-up to Delta for Compass pilots should involve a four-phase interview and a probationary period just like it was for every new-hire who was fNWA or fDAL.

I am sure Compass has some good people, nonetheless, hiring at Delta should be focused on hiring the best pilots, not just a bunch of pilots who where willing to fly OUR jets at a fraction of the price.

with all due respect, those planes should have been "OURS" but they werent and thus someone was going to fly them. The majority of CPZ pilots are furloughed from other big airlines or high time regional guys who were interviewed by NWA to get the job at CPZ. Their interview was very similar to what we did except instead of the sim eval in the 747-200 they flew the 727 sim. I understand that you seem to hold a grudge against the CPZ pilots for "taking" NWA flying but due to the circumstances, the only taking was done by NWA mgmt. The planes should have been put on our ticket but they werent and that ship has sailed. We should be fighting to get it all back but for whatever reason our "leadership" isnt concerned with recapturing that flying. Lets hope that they are concerened with protecting OUR flying going forward.

 

[formerdal]

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That crew compliment sounds about right if we are closer towards 30 jets.

Delta crews the beyond 12 hour aircraft with just over 30 pilots per airframe, so at 90 crews (360ish pilots) that would equate to 10 or 11 airframes.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Compass airlines is a joke. It's nothing more than an airline created via a BK, "gun to our heads" contract. For most pilots at Delta, flowing back is not an option because of the pathetic pay that ALPA negotiated for them. A flow-up to Delta for Compass pilots should involve a four-phase interview and a probationary period just like it was for every new-hire who was fNWA or fDAL.

I am sure Compass has some good people, nonetheless, hiring at Delta should be focused on hiring the best pilots, not just a bunch of pilots who where willing to fly OUR jets at a fraction of the price.

Well that is inflammatory. The CPS and Mesaba flows are part of our PWA as NWA LOA 2006-10 and 12. It dictates that they flow off probation. Do not like it you have to either dump it or work with the companies and unions to amend it.

As for the CPS pilots, tell that to the AMR, TWA, Champion, ATA and others that are there because of the flow. 20 year old pilots willing to work for slave labor? Not so much.
For many it was the only option at the time.

Just sayin....

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Delta crews the beyond 12 hour aircraft with just over 30 pilots per airframe, so at 90 crews (360ish pilots) that would equate to 10 or 11 airframes.

Correct, and I meant to correct that but ran out of time.

FWIW, I am hearing 30 per month for some time. Deets shortly.

 

[1080P]

Correct, and I meant to correct that but ran out of time.

FWIW, I am hearing 30 per month for some time. Deets shortly.

Are you saying that your about to start hiring 30 per month, or training 30 per month for the 74???
Thanks