Skywest may finally have a reasonable chance of voting a union in...

[Regul8r]

First, ABX is not ALPA, Second, why do you believe ALPA had anything to do with those pilots getting furloughed? Perhaps you should look at the real cause: incompetent and irresponsible managers such as yourself.

You're right. Too many pilots confuse ALPA with a Union that might be able to influence the future of their careers. As we all know, ALPA is an association. An association which does not address any of the major concerns todays pilots have. Thankyou for bringing light to this oft neglected subject.

 

[pilotyip]

Funny!!

You're right. Too many pilots confuse ALPA with a Union that might be able to influence the future of their careers. As we all know, ALPA is an association. An association which does not address any of the major concerns todays pilots have. Thankyou for bringing light to this oft neglected subject.

Now that is funny.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

quick question, no flame at all.
I didn't read the entire thread so if this has already been asked please forgive me.
Why on earth would sky west want to vote in a union? They have the regional industry leading contract. Same could be said for jet blue. Look at what they get for the 190 and take a look at USair and Republic. Seems to me that it's working for em so what the hey?

We have a alpa and guess what. Pay...ok. work rules... less then ok. schedules....horrible.

If someone could explain why sky west needs a union I'd appreciate it.

 

[PCL_128]

Why on earth would sky west want to vote in a union? They have the regional industry leading contract.

They don't have a contract at all.

 

[Nevets]

You're right. Too many pilots confuse ALPA with a Union that might be able to influence the future of their careers. As we all know, ALPA is an association. An association which does not address any of the major concerns todays pilots have. Thankyou for bringing light to this oft neglected subject.

ALPA is an association which has helped make our profession safer through the decades. Even now ALPA is trying to change the FT/DT regulations to enhance safety. They have influenced this profession in a positive manner and continue to do so regardless of those who take it for granted. Thank you for reminding me about pointing out the the neglect some home of this truth.

quick question, no flame at all.
I didn't read the entire thread so if this has already been asked please forgive me.
Why on earth would sky west want to vote in a union? They have the regional industry leading contract. Same could be said for jet blue. Look at what they get for the 190 and take a look at USair and Republic. Seems to me that it's working for em so what the hey?

We have a alpa and guess what. Pay...ok. work rules... less then ok. schedules....horrible.

If someone could explain why sky west needs a union I'd appreciate it.

First of all, its not a contract. And I wouldn't call it regional industry leading. And what they do have has been eroded throughout the years. And it can be taken away at any time. And they have no legal grievance process. But their CEO has an employee contract! I can go on and on but I will stop there for now.

 

[ePilot22]

First of all, its not a contract. And I wouldn't call it regional industry leading. And what they do have has been eroded throughout the years. And it can be taken away at any time. And they have no legal grievance process. But their CEO has an employee contract! I can go on and on but I will stop there for now.

THIS!







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[vtech]

The title of this thread makes no sense. There's no active organizing effort at Skywest. ALPA won't spend any more money there for a long time if ever again. Somebody mentioned the lawsuit ALPA filed against Skywest. What did that get anybody? The guy who was at the head of the last OC at Skywest called it a "major victory for labor in this country." Huh? How'd that lawsuit turn out in the end? ALPA wasted a bunch of money, filed a lawsuit and got virtually nothing. The only thing the lawsuit accomplished was making a bunch of pilots not vote for
ALPA. ALPA filed a petition, had an election and got less than 35% of the votes.

Reasonable chance to vote in a union?

There was a call for volunteers for a new ALPA OC at Skywest about six weeks ago. They said they needed 280 volunteers. Already there have been 30 step forward for the OC. That only leaves 250 to go. A very small minority of pilots at Skywest, a lot of them junior and sitting reserve, make most of the posts on the SAPA forums. Most of the posts are about their individual situations. Nobody cares about anybody's individual situation. The majority of pilots at Skywest don't even bother to read that stuff. What's the title of this thread? Skywest may finally have a reasonable chance of voting a union in? Not likely. Not any time soon. No OC. No union drive at the moment. Nothing to see here. Move along.

 

[mtsupilot376]

ALPA sent letters to over 300 ASA pilots threatening to have them fired over the ASA assessment....It resulted in ALPA becoming even more unpopular at ASA.

Wonder why ALPA has such a hard time at Skywest.....?

Has anybody thought about a decertification drive here at ASA?
With the anti-union sentiment as strong as it is I think we might have a chance of a successful vote.

 

[Nevets]

The title of this thread makes no sense. There's no active organizing effort at Skywest. ALPA won't spend any more money there for a long time if ever again. Somebody mentioned the lawsuit ALPA filed against Skywest. What did that get anybody? The guy who was at the head of the last OC at Skywest called it a "major victory for labor in this country." Huh? How'd that lawsuit turn out in the end? ALPA wasted a bunch of money, filed a lawsuit and got virtually nothing. The only thing the lawsuit accomplished was making a bunch of pilots not vote for
ALPA. ALPA filed a petition, had an election and got less than 35% of the votes.

Reasonable chance to vote in a union?

There was a call for volunteers for a new ALPA OC at Skywest about six weeks ago. They said they needed 280 volunteers. Already there have been 30 step forward for the OC. That only leaves 250 to go. A very small minority of pilots at Skywest, a lot of them junior and sitting reserve, make most of the posts on the SAPA forums. Most of the posts are about their individual situations. Nobody cares about anybody's individual situation. The majority of pilots at Skywest don't even bother to read that stuff. What's the title of this thread? Skywest may finally have a reasonable chance of voting a union in? Not likely. Not any time soon. No OC. No union drive at the moment. Nothing to see here. Move along.

With all things being equal, I would probably agree. But since the NMB is in the process of changing election rules, there is as strong of a possibility of them unionizing than before.

 

[ePilot22]

With all things being equal, I would probably agree. But since the NMB is in the process of changing election rules, there is as strong of a possibility of them unionizing than before.

That may not be happening as quickly as everyone would like. SkyWest set a lawyer/line pilot we have to the NMB hearing and unfortunately his point was the NMB does not have the power to change the election process. It can only be changed by an act of Congress.

NMB Link Reference page 207, line 12.

It appears that this could be tied up in the legal process for years.







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[PCL_128]

It appears that this could be tied up in the legal process for years.

Unlikely. The RLA is quite clear, and the Supreme Court has verified, that the NMB has the ultimate authority to determine voting rules. In fact, the RLA even allows representational disputes to be resolved without a secret ballot. Again, this has been reiterated by the Supreme Court. There is no legal basis whatsoever to block the NMB from changing the election rules, and I doubt any court would even agree to hear a suit for injunction.

 

[pilotyip]

How come ex-union members are less likely to vote for a union?

 

[PCL_128]

How come ex-union members are less likely to vote for a union?

Back up your asinine assertion with a source.

 

[pilotyip]

experience

Back up your asinine assertion with a source.

Of course I can not produce results. But my experience in two union drives that failed one as a voting crewmember and the other on the management side. Management consultants are very good at this, guessing within a couple of votes and who will vote what way to predict election outcome before the vote. Conversations over beer and lunch with and their thoughts about the whole process with my ex-Zipper buddies. Many felt they had been screwed out of 10-15 years of employment when IBT came inot Zantop. The first drive was the IBT474, ALPA got more write ins than IBT got votes; the second drive was UAW. ALPA would not talk to our pilots because we were too small and it was not economically viable to under take an organizing drive at a company that had rejected organizing. You know after all it is a business.

 

[SkyNation]

Back up your asinine assertion with a source.

the last ALPA drive at SkyWest.

(this is where you regurgitate how those pilots don't really count because they were at Mesa, or Mesaba, or whatever, or they were just FOs, blah blah blah)