Suppy and Demand and Unionized labor

[CoATP]

Supply and Demand is not just a wages/benefits issue at airlines. The emotional value of SJS outweighs much. How many 200hr wonders ask pay rates before they hire on? It's "quick upgrade" as the first question.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Some groups might have better leverage these days to have the threat of unionizing than to actually be unionized already.

The pro corporate conservatives out there have been waging a war on unions and labor for decades now and their psychological class warfare tactics have convinced many in the dying middle class that it is not in their best interest to ask for higher wages and better working conditions.

That would be the house help scolding the field hands while Master chuckles....

 

[mesaserf]

Some groups might have better leverage these days to have the threat of unionizing than to actually be unionized already.

The pro corporate conservatives out there have been waging a war on unions and labor for decades now and their psychological class warfare tactics have convinced many in the dying middle class that it is not in their best interest to ask for higher wages and better working conditions.

Dead on man.

I remember when I was a union volunteer I use to help with the new hire briefings the union put on at the training center.

I sat back in disbelief and listened to kids tell me how they were willing to work for sub par wages to help the company prosper. And in the next breath they let me know how much they disliked unions and were not looking forward to paying dues after their year probation was up.

What the hell is being taught to these kids in school?

 

[cybourg10]

That would be the house help scolding the field hands while Master chuckles....

With slavery the Master has to house and feed the slaves. With economic slavery the slaves must house and feed themselves........

 

[cybourg10]

Dead on man.

I remember when I was a union volunteer I use to help with the new hire briefings the union put on at the training center.

I sat back in disbelief and listened to kids tell me how they were willing to work for sub par wages to help the company prosper. And in the next breath they let me know how much they disliked unions and were not looking forward to paying dues after their year probation was up.

What the hell is being taught to these kids in school?

You have asked the right question. The educational system has shifted in America. Kids were once taught critical thinking and problem solving i.e. thinking outside the box. Today it is all rote memorization, pass the test and move on. Students are not taught to ask why people do things, only the date and time of which the event occurred. My mom has been in the Texas public school system for almost 30 years, in that time the textbooks have become much smaller with less information and the football stadiums and weight rooms have increased in size astronomically. The cafeteria food has lost nearly all nutritional value (is ketchup still a vegetable?) and any trouble making kid is now sent to an "alternative" school instead of getting the extra time and attention that is needed.

Our society does not value a hard days work, we now value the image associated with the work. This is where SJS comes from, no worry about the wage and benefits just worry about what the image is with that job. With the abundance of credit cards and easy money one no longer needs to work and save for material things. The propaganda against unions and all things associated with the pro labor agenda have been condemned as anti american and communist in nature. Create a dumb society and then convince them that they are better off letting those in charge decide their worth. Its genius plan to convince the middle class that the trickle down and free market system allows them to someday become rich, only if they vote for the politicians that will deregulate the system. If you watch Fox News long enough you will find out that it was the unions that brought down GM, and the poor people buying houses they couldn't afford that brought down Wall St. The New World Order is not a form of government, it is a collection of corporations.

 

[sitbackrelax]

Dead on man.

I remember when I was a union volunteer I use to help with the new hire briefings the union put on at the training center.

I sat back in disbelief and listened to kids tell me how they were willing to work for sub par wages to help the company prosper. And in the next breath they let me know how much they disliked unions and were not looking forward to paying dues after their year probation was up.

What the hell is being taught to these kids in school?

The CEO of our company gave a pep talk to our recurrent class a couple years ago and some young pilot acutually thanked him for coming in and telling us how airlines really worked; he then mentioned how he was tired of hearing everyone complain about crappy work conditions.

 

[Smarta$$]

That is the biggest load of spin garbage I have read in a long time. Whom ever wrote that is one hell of a ******************************.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

With slavery the Master has to house and feed the slaves. With economic slavery the slaves must house and feed themselves........

Wage slaves....

With the mass production of cheap goods, as wages stagnant, the cost of many goods are down. Who cares about reality when Americans have flat screens TVs and SUVs.

What's the problem? Hence the ignorance is bliss crowd who will argue the status quo....


Those who control power and wealth hate unions becuase they allow access to govt amongst other things..

 

[sayrejm]

That is the biggest load of spin garbage I have read in a long time. Whom ever wrote that is one hell of a ******************************.

I believe you would use 'who' instead of 'whom' in that statement. The whole 'object' versus 'subject' thing.

 

[pilotyip]

America, the place where people in poverty are overwight

 

[WayBack]

Dead on man.

I remember when I was a union volunteer I use to help with the new hire briefings the union put on at the training center.

I sat back in disbelief and listened to kids tell me how they were willing to work for sub par wages to help the company prosper. And in the next breath they let me know how much they disliked unions and were not looking forward to paying dues after their year probation was up.

What the hell is being taught to these kids in school?

Oh the irony with this one. Just like when ALPA urges its pilots to take pay cuts "to live to fight another day". Or when the union comes up with stupid ideas of pay freezes to promise bringing more airframes onto the property.

I loved when I was a new hire at my first regional and the union guys came in and told us "Company bad, Union good. Sign this so we can take 2% of your paycheck after your first year".

What are kids being taught? Well as long as the liberals run this country into the ground, they're doing their best to keep the kids as dumb as possible, not to think for themselves and to believe what they're told by the government.

 

[WayBack]

America, the place where people in poverty are overwight

and have 26 inch rims on their SUVs, can't pay their child support. Get free cell phones and cable. Oh, and they were $150 Nike shoes.
Next thing you know they will get free health care.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

America, the place where people in poverty are overwight

Most cheap or fast food isn't healthy....

 

[Smarta$$]

America, the place where people in poverty are overwight

The cheapest food is the least healthy. At the airport, I can choose a salad for 8.50 or a burger and fries for 4.50. If an airline captain has to consider whether or not to spend the extra 4 dollars, I suspect Americas poor would also have to.

 

[Smarta$$]

I believe you would use 'who' instead of 'whom' in that statement. The whole 'object' versus 'subject' thing.

Thanks, that was a close one.