Suppy and Demand and Unionized labor

[Rez O. Lewshun]

give it time...... has anyone retired from these two?

 

[Flightdawg]

gee and here I wanted to blame the leaches in the banking industry who hoarded billions of dollars among a small groups of individuals while producing no tangible goods or services for this mess.. turns out it was the working man's fault all along.

Can't get good help this days, I guess. Good thing superior management is carrying the load.

Frankly I don't get it because the two airlines I know that are not union are doing pretty well.

Which two? Isn't Gojet thinking about unionizing?

 

[pilotyip]

Unions have pushed the envelope and have made the workplace better in many areas. Respect for seniority, single rooms on RON's, Dental care, vision care, etc. But the problem with unions, with their tremendous ability to shut down a business and destroy it, is they always push the envelope, what they have is never good enough. They always want a little bit more for their DUES paying members. If they did not push the envelope, the members might say why am I paying dues. So unions always ask for more and companies give it even when they know in the long run it is not sustainable. GM in 93 on retiree health care, UAL with a 35% pay raise in 2000, Zantop with hard days off. Etc.

 

[Twisted Mind]

Because only two non unions airlines exist they must offer near to what the union airlines offer to attract quality workers.
I believe that unions are a necessity for airlines because of the specialized nature of the jobs. Unions provide protection and help for the workers far beyond pay. What I am saying is that the union has effectively removed supply and demand from compensation issues.

 

[cybourg10]

Some groups might have better leverage these days to have the threat of unionizing than to actually be unionized already.

The pro corporate conservatives out there have been waging a war on unions and labor for decades now and their psychological class warfare tactics have convinced many in the dying middle class that it is not in their best interest to ask for higher wages and better working conditions.

 

[CoATP]

Supply and Demand is not just a wages/benefits issue at airlines. The emotional value of SJS outweighs much. How many 200hr wonders ask pay rates before they hire on? It's "quick upgrade" as the first question.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Some groups might have better leverage these days to have the threat of unionizing than to actually be unionized already.

The pro corporate conservatives out there have been waging a war on unions and labor for decades now and their psychological class warfare tactics have convinced many in the dying middle class that it is not in their best interest to ask for higher wages and better working conditions.

That would be the house help scolding the field hands while Master chuckles....

 

[mesaserf]

Some groups might have better leverage these days to have the threat of unionizing than to actually be unionized already.

The pro corporate conservatives out there have been waging a war on unions and labor for decades now and their psychological class warfare tactics have convinced many in the dying middle class that it is not in their best interest to ask for higher wages and better working conditions.

Dead on man.

I remember when I was a union volunteer I use to help with the new hire briefings the union put on at the training center.

I sat back in disbelief and listened to kids tell me how they were willing to work for sub par wages to help the company prosper. And in the next breath they let me know how much they disliked unions and were not looking forward to paying dues after their year probation was up.

What the hell is being taught to these kids in school?

 

[cybourg10]

That would be the house help scolding the field hands while Master chuckles....

With slavery the Master has to house and feed the slaves. With economic slavery the slaves must house and feed themselves........

 

[cybourg10]

Dead on man.

I remember when I was a union volunteer I use to help with the new hire briefings the union put on at the training center.

I sat back in disbelief and listened to kids tell me how they were willing to work for sub par wages to help the company prosper. And in the next breath they let me know how much they disliked unions and were not looking forward to paying dues after their year probation was up.

What the hell is being taught to these kids in school?

You have asked the right question. The educational system has shifted in America. Kids were once taught critical thinking and problem solving i.e. thinking outside the box. Today it is all rote memorization, pass the test and move on. Students are not taught to ask why people do things, only the date and time of which the event occurred. My mom has been in the Texas public school system for almost 30 years, in that time the textbooks have become much smaller with less information and the football stadiums and weight rooms have increased in size astronomically. The cafeteria food has lost nearly all nutritional value (is ketchup still a vegetable?) and any trouble making kid is now sent to an "alternative" school instead of getting the extra time and attention that is needed.

Our society does not value a hard days work, we now value the image associated with the work. This is where SJS comes from, no worry about the wage and benefits just worry about what the image is with that job. With the abundance of credit cards and easy money one no longer needs to work and save for material things. The propaganda against unions and all things associated with the pro labor agenda have been condemned as anti american and communist in nature. Create a dumb society and then convince them that they are better off letting those in charge decide their worth. Its genius plan to convince the middle class that the trickle down and free market system allows them to someday become rich, only if they vote for the politicians that will deregulate the system. If you watch Fox News long enough you will find out that it was the unions that brought down GM, and the poor people buying houses they couldn't afford that brought down Wall St. The New World Order is not a form of government, it is a collection of corporations.