DAL 767 lands taxiway M at ATL

[SEVEN]

This WILL be accepted into ASAP. The MOU guidlines for the ASAP program are very clear on intentional vs unintentional. No pilot in their right mind would intentionally land a 767 on a taxiway in ATL. That's almost suicide. There will most likely be a swift response from the FAA and Delta. With LOTS of retraining and suspentions to come, they will most likely receive a Letter of Correction that will involve various training events.

 

[SEVEN]

Guys, there is a lot to this. Let the facts come out. It will change the way you view it. Currently everyone is looking like dolts.

Intentional or unintentional, the Captain was wrong. Even if he landed on the taxiway to ensure the medical emergengy was handled swiftly doesn't justify puting hundreds of passengers lives at risk. It was a bonehead move either way. Luckely they now have the privelage to explain themselves. This could have been very tragic. Still not sure why the mainstream media isn't all over this yet.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Intentional or unintentional, the Captain was wrong. Even if he landed on the taxiway to ensure the medical emergengy was handled swiftly doesn't justify puting hundreds of passengers lives at risk. It was a bonehead move either way. Luckely they now have the privelage to explain themselves. This could have been very tragic. Still not sure why the mainstream media isn't all over this yet.

It wasn't intentional.

 

[SFR]

Glad it was not CAL

 

[j41driver]

Finally made the news....

http://www.11alive.com/rss/rss_story.aspx?storyid=136570#

 

[Corbon]

Guys, there is a lot to this. Let the facts come out. It will change the way you view it. Currently everyone is looking like dolts.

I don't think anyone looks like a dolt for being initially critical.

If they did this accidentally (it has happened before) then that is a serious error.

If they did it intentionally, I can't think of a situation, outside of an EXTREME circumstance, that would warrent landing a 767 on a dark taxiway at an airport with 5 wide, long runways.

I'm sure we're all curious as to what actually happened. If, by some longshot, there was a valid reason, I will stand corrected.

 

[SEVEN]

Finally made the news....

http://www.11alive.com/rss/rss_story.aspx?storyid=136570#

Looks like it's making its way through the local media outlets. Hopefully this will make the national news soon. Even the Big Boys like General Lee make BIG, BIG, mistakes from time to time. The public needs to know this. If the lowly regional guys and guys are put under a microscope every time an incident occurs, then the Big Boys need to share the spotlight from time to time.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

I don't think anyone looks like a dolt for being initially critical.

If they did this accidentally (it has happened before) then that is a serious error.

If they did it intentionally, I can't think of a situation, outside of an EXTREME circumstance, that would warrent landing a 767 on a dark taxiway at an airport with 5 wide, long runways.

I'm sure we're all curious as to what actually happened. If, by some longshot, there was a valid reason, I will stand corrected.

Nothing happened that made it excusable- but the circumstances made it very understandable how it happened.

 

[Bringupthebird]

This should highlight the need to continue to do the normal things properly during an emergency. There's no reason for a medical emergency to become so preoccupying that the routine procedures aren't followed.

 

[jimcav]

Looks like it's making its way through the local media outlets. Hopefully this will make the national news soon. Even the Big Boys like General Lee make BIG, BIG, mistakes from time to time. The public needs to know this. If the lowly regional guys and guys are put under a microscope every time an incident occurs, then the Big Boys need to share the spotlight from time to time.

Sounds like mainline envy to me.

 

[OCP]

"The FAA adds that to their knowledge, no aircraft as ever landed on a Hartsfield taxiway before."

Huh? Its well known that they did this a lot during runway construction. Thanks FAA.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

"The FAA adds that to their knowledge, no aircraft as ever landed on a Hartsfield taxiway before."

Huh? Its well known that they did this a lot during runway construction. Thanks FAA.

He's talking about by accident, numbnuts.

 

[Bringupthebird]

At least it turned out better than the Tampa accident


http://articles.latimes.com/1986-11-06/news/mn-16763_1

 

[trip]

Guys, there is a lot to this. Let the facts come out. It will change the way you view it. Currently everyone is looking like dolts.

Well ACL after hyping up this crews actions as "understandable" all I have to say is this better be good. Like two pilots incapacitated good, because really I can not come up with any other scenario in which it would make any sense to land on a taxiway in the dark.

 

[Golden Falcon]

Dont Ever Land There Again

 

[ttuite]

Well ACL after hyping up this crews actions as "understandable" all I have to say is this better be good. Like two pilots incapacitated good, because really I can not come up with any other scenario in which it would make any sense to land on a taxiway in the dark.

If my family was on the aircraft I don't even think "understandable" would be good enough!

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Guys, there is a lot to this. Let the facts come out. It will change the way you view it. Currently everyone is looking like dolts.

"When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras."

Like any incident, I'm sure there will be numerous contributing factors. The crew, however, should feel very fortunate that this did not end in catastrophe, one medical emergency could have become hundreds. An egregious error to say the least.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Finally made the news....

http://www.11alive.com/rss/rss_story.aspx?storyid=136570#

Yeah PHEW "Finally"!!!!.....Now people will fly Critter more..... YAY!!

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Great, now I'm going to have to listen to Delta asking for a runway check!!

HUH?? I have no clue what THAT means....

 

[ACL65PILOT]

"When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras."

Like any incident, I'm sure there will be numerous contributing factors. The crew, however, should feel very fortunate that this did not end in catastrophe, one medical emergency could have become hundreds. An egregious error to say the least.

Correct. This could have been a very bad day for aviation. Instead it is an incident that we can talk about, and I know that I have already learned from the details I have.

Fact is that I will not pass judgment on what the crew did, but there was a medical emergency that was progressive in nature. When the details of this emerge, and the supporting details emerge, if or anyone that is a professional aviator does not take a step back and realize that you to would set yourself up this way, you should be concerned.

I am sure that where they landed was not by design. Until the professional investigators to their investigation, the professional pilots should not slime their fellow pilots. I know how I would feel after this incident. They have to live with the results of their actions, whether intentional or not. That is the hardest thing to do.

This should be a fairly quick investigation, with a lot of findings that lead to learning by all of us.

I am thankful that it was an incident and not an accident. These guys were professionals with Tens of thousands of hours in combined experience. Wait for the facts. Please.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I am sure that where they landed was not by design. Until the professional investigators to their investigation, the professional pilots should not slime their fellow pilots. I know how I would feel after this incident. They have to live with the results of their actions, whether intentional or not. That is the hardest thing to do.

This should be a fairly quick investigation, with a lot of findings that lead to learning by all of us.

I am thankful that it was an incident and not an accident. These guys were professionals with Tens of thousands of hours in combined experience. Wait for the facts. Please.

ACL65PILOT,

Part of the problem here is that regional pilots have been getting lectures about how much better mainline pilots are, and how the recent issues in the news wouldn't happen to "mainline" pilots. Even mainline pilots in this thread have exulted how much "better" they are and how their "experience" is so superior to us little scooter pilots.

If we all treated each other as EQUALS, instead of the condescending lectures we get from the "mainline" pilots...This thread wouldn't have gone on this long. The fact is it has been open season on regional pilots this year...Not just from the media, but from some of your colleagues...

Remember what they say about living in glass houses......

 

[JoeMerchant]

If my family was on the aircraft I don't even think "understandable" would be good enough!

What if one of us had been on the taxiway? Who thinks the tone of this debate would be different had it been an ASA or PNCL RJ that did this?

 

[wms]

He's talking about by accident, numbnuts.

At least one did by accident. And another tried but thought it was better to grind off a wing tip.

 

[aa73]

Joe Merchant,

On the contrary, it is YOU that is bringing up the whole regional/major thing. ACL is simply stating what is a well known adage, it can happen to anybody. The fact that you bring up the regional/major issue tells me that you have some insecurities lurking.... When I first read about the incident, the LAST thing on my mind was drawing a comparison between regional/major, because it has happened to both, several times. So who really cares? And why even bring it up? How about just waiting for the "deets" and then learning from the whole thing so that we can prevent it from happening - regardless of what airline we work for?

73

 

[Fly4hire]

ACL65PILOT,

Part of the problem here is that regional pilots have been getting lectures about how much better mainline pilots are, and how the recent issues in the news wouldn't happen to "mainline" pilots. Even mainline pilots in this thread have exulted how much "better" they are and how their "experience" is so superior to us little scooter pilots.

If we all treated each other as EQUALS, instead of the condescending lectures we get from the "mainline" pilots...This thread wouldn't have gone on this long. The fact is it has been open season on regional pilots this year...Not just from the media, but from some of your colleagues...

Remember what they say about living in glass houses......

Joe,

You don't get treated as equals because you don't do the same job - you are flying acft and lift intentionally contracted to outsource and undercut mainline flying, using smaller acft. Why should I embrace you? So you feel better about bolstering your career at the expense of mine? Spare me the ALPA unity chant - "unity" and "brotherhood" as articulated by you and other feeder pilots is a pretext for "I should be able to steal out of your back pocket to fill mine".

The flying skill arguement is a different vector - I know there are a lot of highly skilled, expereinced, professional aviators in the feeders. If I were you I'd be more concerned about the reputation the "kids" give you that the legacy pilots are.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

What if one of us had been on the taxiway? Who thinks the tone of this debate would be different had it been an ASA or PNCL RJ that did this?

Joe, I will not argue anything. I will also state that in my ten year career at ASA, their training dept was top notch. They have it right. I am still impressed with the majority of aviators that they produce. ASA is not the issue, and you know it.

As for this. I will be more than willing to discuss this when the details are made public. Not sure there will be much to discuss once that happens, but I am willing.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

ACL65PILOT,

Part of the problem here is that regional pilots have been getting lectures about how much better mainline pilots are, and how the recent issues in the news wouldn't happen to "mainline" pilots. Even mainline pilots in this thread have exulted how much "better" they are and how their "experience" is so superior to us little scooter pilots.

If we all treated each other as EQUALS, instead of the condescending lectures we get from the "mainline" pilots...This thread wouldn't have gone on this long. The fact is it has been open season on regional pilots this year...Not just from the media, but from some of your colleagues...

Remember what they say about living in glass houses......

That failed lawsuit and career has you bitter, eh sparky?
Guess what sport, it is you, and more specific, your rjdc band of sisterhood that has put a knife in the bond that should be between regional and major airline pilots.
Now, get back on your knees and get back under Dan's desk, where you belong.
Oh and joey, maybe you should call Haber, after all, you'll now be flying under the UAL code, you should sue them to get on their list!

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Reality check, people. If an RJ did this it would have gotten National Attention, and the talking heads on cable news would be saying how inexperienced and dangerous regional pilots are, how the schedules lead to fatigue, blah blah blah.

Mainline does it, and it's a 30 second blurb, with shoulder shrugs and "well, it happens, at least no one was hurt".

Total Double Standard. I think this is what all the Regional pilots who posted are tying to say!

 

[at7driver]

does DL still have ASAP... thought the got rid of it a couple of years ago..

 

[SEVEN]

HUH?? I have no clue what THAT means....

It means double-breasted suits look retarded.