DAL 767 lands taxiway M at ATL

[SEVEN]

Correct. This could have been a very bad day for aviation. Instead it is an incident that we can talk about, and I know that I have already learned from the details I have.

Fact is that I will not pass judgment on what the crew did, but there was a medical emergency that was progressive in nature. When the details of this emerge, and the supporting details emerge, if or anyone that is a professional aviator does not take a step back and realize that you to would set yourself up this way, you should be concerned.

I am sure that where they landed was not by design. Until the professional investigators to their investigation, the professional pilots should not slime their fellow pilots. I know how I would feel after this incident. They have to live with the results of their actions, whether intentional or not. That is the hardest thing to do.

This should be a fairly quick investigation, with a lot of findings that lead to learning by all of us.

I am thankful that it was an incident and not an accident. These guys were professionals with Tens of thousands of hours in combined experience. Wait for the facts. Please.

Well said. Most don't want to hang the pilots. It's just sad when stuff like this happens. If the Comair LEX accident would have just been an incident (if they would have gotten airborn and cleared the trees) those guys would have been in the same boat as the Delta crew. But, as we can see, those Delta pilots are very lucky to be alive today. This should have ended very badly. But, for whatever reason, they were able to land a giant airplane, designed to land on a reinforced concrete runway, on M taxiway in ATL. Still unbelievable to me. Just glad the crew and passengers are now home with their loved ones. Can't say the same about the Comair crew and passengers.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

It means double-breasted suits look retarded.

So do the same old boring come backs by low life regional ****************************** bags!

 

[Pilotbob3]

ACL65PILOT,

Part of the problem here is that regional pilots have been getting lectures about how much better mainline pilots are, and how the recent issues in the news wouldn't happen to "mainline" pilots. Even mainline pilots in this thread have exulted how much "better" they are and how their "experience" is so superior to us little scooter pilots.

If we all treated each other as EQUALS, instead of the condescending lectures we get from the "mainline" pilots...This thread wouldn't have gone on this long. The fact is it has been open season on regional pilots this year...Not just from the media, but from some of your colleagues...

Remember what they say about living in glass houses......

Joe, thats because you ARE JUST a commuter pilot. Dont forget to check your mags before takeoff.

 

[trip]

Reading the post on this thread are making me sick, its to the point of really disliking the whole profession enough to get out all together. I don't care what you fly. Disgusting to say the least.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Hitting the marker is easy - landing on a taxiway without incident takes skill!

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Joe, thats because you ARE JUST a commuter pilot. Dont forget to check your mags before takeoff.

Your asinine comment just proves Joe's point.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe, thats because you ARE JUST a commuter pilot. Dont forget to check your mags before takeoff.

I rest my case...Thank you for helping to make my point...

I now return you to your regularly scheduled mud slinging.....

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

It means double-breasted suits look retarded.

I agree....But I don't complain when they pay me to wear one....

 

[SEVEN]

So do the same old boring come backs by low life regional ****************************** bags!

SCOPE OUT MAINLINE PILOTS WHO GAVE UP SCOPE AND RUINED THE INDUSTRY!
Open your eyes man. Look in the mirror. You and your comrads created this mess. Now DEAL WITH IT!!!

Let's not turn this thread into a mainline vs. regional scope issue. We all know why regionals are flying to large cities with 50-76 jets; because you let them....simple as that. Got it.

 

[SEVEN]

I agree....But I don't complain when they pay me to wear one....

I would wear one too in that case.

 

[mesaserf]

The OSU incident I remember was a TWA 707 landing there instead of CMH. They used to have pictures of it hanging in the greasy spoon there when I flew corporate. Has it happened more than once there with a legacy carrier?

Same thing almost happened to me at the exact same airport about nine years ago. We were at the end of a six or seven leg day and were coming in from Chicago Midway back to Columbus. It was night with a high overcast and when we descended through it my F/O (pilot flying) calls the airport in sight. I gave that info to approach and they cleared us for the visual.

Suddenly my F/O starts to nose over into a fairly steep decent. I look out at the runway in front of us and my tired brain is telling me something is not right here. I look at the FMS and it looks like we are not lined up for the airport. Not trusting the FMS completely (with no GPS they constantly go DR on us.) I quickly dial in the localizer and select green needles. I then realize we are lined up for OSU! We went around and continued on to CMH and I did not hear a peep out of ATC.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Guys, there is a lot to this. Let the facts come out. It will change the way you view it. Currently everyone is looking like dolts.

Everyone? That's a pretty broad brush, ACL.

 

[General Lee]

It means double-breasted suits look retarded.

Chicks and old people don't think so. I guess you only care what the "guys" think.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[SEVEN]

Chicks and old people don't think so. I guess you only care what the "guys" think.

Bye Bye--General Lee

My problem with the double breasted suit is that you have to button the jacket or it looks stupid. With a regular blazer, you don't have to walk around with it buttoned up all the time. But then again, 2 Delta pilots were just given a second chance at life. So I guess, there are bigger issues than wearing double-breasted suits. We now have to make sure all Delta pilots are aware of the differences between white and blue lights, and how to properly identify runway markings vs. taxiway markings. The skill and credibility of the pilots at Delta are eroding away very quickly. Where are the Sulley's at Delta? I guess Cactus has all the heroes.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe,

You don't get treated as equals because you don't do the same job - you are flying acft and lift intentionally contracted to outsource and undercut mainline flying, using smaller acft.

That statement sums up the current mess very well...Somewhere along the line, flying one size airplane became a different job than flying other size airplanes....I found the job is getting easier as the airplanes get bigger and more automated...I think they are ALL the same job...That's just me....

Why should I embrace you? So you feel better about bolstering your career at the expense of mine? Spare me the ALPA unity chant - "unity" and "brotherhood" as articulated by you and other feeder pilots is a pretext for "I should be able to steal out of your back pocket to fill mine".

I don't believe in the "unity" and "brotherhood" kumbaya either...You and others prove every day that is BS....I haven't believed in it for many years...

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Hitting the marker is easy - landing on a taxiway without incident takes skill!

You should see the Powerpoint of the skid marks. The nose wheel was less than a foot off centerline.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Everyone? That's a pretty broad brush, ACL.

Really?

The useless banter.

 

[JoeMerchant]

You should see the Powerpoint of the skid marks. The nose wheel was less than a foot off centerline.

"How long was the final"?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

"How long was the final"?

Long enough to get a 330K lb airplane down. It was 554 am.

 

[FDJ2]

Reality check, people. If an RJ did this it would have gotten National Attention, and the talking heads on cable news would be saying how inexperienced and dangerous regional pilots are, how the schedules lead to fatigue, blah blah blah.

Mainline does it, and it's a 30 second blurb, with shoulder shrugs and "well, it happens, at least no one was hurt".

Total Double Standard. I think this is what all the Regional pilots who posted are tying to say!

The reason this "incident" hasn't had the press coverage that recent regional "accidents" have had is most likely due to the fact that no one got killed.

Just a hunch, but I bet there are numerous "incidents" every week that don't get much media attention. When a mainline aircraft has an "accident" with fatalities, it gets plenty of press.

Let's wait for the results of the investigation, then let's talk about it.

 

[B-atch]

...Awh...heres some more fuel for this fire...Was the Capt. over 60?

 

[marycon]

"Pilots Worked For Previous Carrier"
Oct 21 2009

AP - Atlanta, GA In a recent incicident, a Delta Airlines jet landed on a taxiway instead of a runway at the Atlanta Hartsfield International airport just a few days ago. While pilots are trained to land on runways in most circumstances, this is not the first incident of its kind in U.S. history.

However, the AP has recently discovered that both Delta pilots associated with this "taxiway landing" were previously employed by a Regional Airline. Regional Airlines have been making the news since February this year when Colgan Air crashed outside of Buffalo, NY killing 51 people. Regional Airlines and their pilots are considered less safe than their Major Airline counterparts by many public opinion polls. As both pilots involved in the Delta incident were previously employed by a Regional Airline it is almost certain that their unsafe "regional behavior" was a contributing factor to the taxiway landing. The AP has also learned that while employed at the Regional Carrier both pilots were routinely in the habit of: not wearing their hats, wearing backpacks and ipods in the terminal, wearing sunglasses inside, picking up open time during furloughs just to make a buck, not participating in solidarity, leaving coffee puddles in cup holders, not taking their own trash from the cockpit, thinking they were cool just because they were pilots, and not having the decency to say "hello" to fellow employees at work.

Congress is at work to pass a bill improving the safety level at all airlines including Regionals. Such a bill will undoubtaly make it illegal for all Regional Airline Pilots to fly anything.

copied from another board, not my original idea but funny anyway;

 

[Northern Lights]

http://www.allbusiness.com/operations/shipping-air-freight/165691-1.html

NWA landed an Airbus at Ellsworth AFB instead of Rapid City a few years back.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

The reason this "incident" hasn't had the press coverage that recent regional "accidents" have had is most likely due to the fact that no one got killed.

Just a hunch, but I bet there are numerous "incidents" every week that don't get much media attention. When a mainline aircraft has an "accident" with fatalities, it gets plenty of press.

Let's wait for the results of the investigation, then let's talk about it.

I submit that even though no one was hurt, this still would have been major news if it were a regional. Why the double standard?

 

[wms]

It happened to a regional on romeo, and it wasn't a news story.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

It happened to a regional on romeo, and it wasn't a news story.

Post Comair and Colgan?

 

[jehtplane]

Reality check, people. If an RJ did this it would have gotten National Attention, and the talking heads on cable news would be saying how inexperienced and dangerous regional pilots are, how the schedules lead to fatigue, blah blah blah.

Mainline does it, and it's a 30 second blurb, with shoulder shrugs and "well, it happens, at least no one was hurt".

Total Double Standard. I think this is what all the Regional pilots who posted are tying to say!

A Regional Airline did land on a taxiway several years ago, in ATL.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

A Regional Airline did land on a taxiway several years ago, in ATL.

By accident, or are you the 6th person to point out that M was used as a runway for a while?

 

[jehtplane]

By accident, or are you the 6th person to point out that M was used as a runway for a while?

Actually it was Romeo, and this crew landed on it while it was a taxi-way and not being used as the temporary runway.

 

[Torpid]

If this would have happened at a regional, the media would have had a field day. The press would have been all over it. They would have had an "experienced" mainline pilot on the air being interviewed by Wolf Blitzer commenting on the lack of experience and lack of competancy in the flight deck.

"...who the hell is Wolf"