MD-11 hard landing @ MEX

[Dornier 335]

taken from another bb:

Accident: Lufthansa Cargo MD11 at Mexico City on Sep 13th 2009, hard landing
By Simon Hradecky, created Saturday, Oct 10th 2009 16:27Z, last updated Saturday, Oct 10th 2009 16:27Z

A Lufthansa Cargo McDonnell Douglas MD-11 freighter, registration D-ALCO performing freight flight GEC-8240 from Dallas Ft. Worth,TX (USA) to Mexico City (Mexico), touched down very hard at Mexico City's runway around 23:10L (Sep 14th 04:10Z). The airplane rolled out safely and taxied to the apron. No injuries occured.

A postflight inspection revealed wrinkles to the fuselage skin and a bent nose gear structure. The airplane is still in Mexico City awaiting decision whether to repair the airplane or write it off.

Metars:
MMMX 140648Z 00000KT 4SM -RA FEW015 BKN020 OVC080 15/14 A3032 RMK 60175 8/47/ HZY
MMMX 140548Z 18003KT 4SM -RA FEW015 BKN020 OVC080 15/14 A3032 RMK SLP098 52016 928 60165 8/47/ HZY
MMMX 140449Z 19005KT 4SM -RA FEW015 BKN020 OVC080 15/14 A3032 RMK 60225 8/46/ HZY
MMMX 140415Z 26004KT 4SM -RA FEW015 BKN020 OVC080 15/14 A3030 RMK 8/96/ HZY RAE11 B-RA
MMMX 140345Z 27003KT 3SM RA BKN020 OVC080 15/14 A3030 RMK 60155 8/96/ HZY -TSRAE41 BRA

 

[MD11Drvr]

The mighty Mad Dogg bites another crews A**. When she bites it will surely leave a scar!

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I hate that airport in perfect conditions.

 

[GogglesPisano]

I hate that airport in perfect conditions.

I hate that airplane in perfect conditions.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

perfect combination.

 

[CX880]

Probably a 250 hour cadet out of Lufthansa university.

 

[Colonel Savage]

Probably a 250 hour cadet out of Lufthansa university.

Do they really do that?

 

[dojetdriver]

I hate that airplane in perfect conditions.

Was it that bad flying that thing?

How's the "new" job treating you so far?

 

[Dornier 335]

Do they really do that?

Yes and No. Usually, the 250 hour super wonder pilots go over to the pax side. I believe 1000 hours transport category within LH is required before you can switch to the cargo side.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Was it that bad flying that thing?

Boeings are much easier to fly and much more straightforward. Douglas engineers have nothing but disdain for pilots. The -11 is overcomplicated and difficult to hand-fly in a crosswind.

How's the "new" job treating you so far?

Best move I ever made in aviation.

 

[GSXR600]

Boeings are much easier to fly and much more straightforward. Douglas engineers have nothing but disdain for pilots. The -11 is overcomplicated and difficult to hand-fly in a crosswind.

Best move I ever made in aviation.

We always say that till we get furlough!

 

[dojetdriver]

Boeings are much easier to fly and much more straightforward. Douglas engineers have nothing but disdain for pilots. The -11 is overcomplicated and difficult to hand-fly in a crosswind.

I see, thanks. The sad part is I'd still take flying that thing at your previous employer vs. just about everything at my current one.

Best move I ever made in aviation.

Glad it's working out for you, hope they hire sometime it the next decade.

 

[hyper]

So GSXR600, is that a "personal" avatar or off the net somewhere? Inquiring minds wanna know.

 

[Colonel Savage]

"Douglas engineers have nothing but disdain for pilots."

I always enjoyed flying the DC-9. Did you not ever have the pleasure?

 

[GogglesPisano]

"Douglas engineers have nothing but disdain for pilots."

I always enjoyed flying the DC-9. Did you not ever have the pleasure?

My only exposure has been the -11. Airbus builds the most comfortable and ergonomic flight decks. Boeings are the most reliable (although I hear the DC9 had the best dispatch rate at Delta) and the most fun to fly.

And Douglas builds tanks -- I'll give them that.

 

[GSXR600]

So GSXR600, is that a "personal" avatar or off the net somewhere? Inquiring minds wanna know.

mmm....is G 14 classified information!

 

[House_X]

Boeings are much easier to fly and much more straightforward. Douglas engineers have nothing but disdain for pilots. The -11 is overcomplicated and difficult to hand-fly in a crosswind.

Best move I ever made in aviation.

I'll take the MD-11 over the A320/A319/A318 series in a crosswind on any day.
I really miss flying the "11"...to me it flew like a big CRJ. I love the 'Bus...but during a crosswind it will burn you more than the "11" will.

 

[Colonel Savage]

GP- I wouldn't judge all Douglass designs based on your experience with the MD-11.

 

[30West]

All the quirks, idiosyncrasies and handling issues of the MD-11 render it a distant cousin, rather than sibling, to the DC-10. A joy to hand fly.

 

[propilot]

The bigger problem is that so many companies want to fly the -11 like it's a -10 instead of flying the way MD intended, using the automation and enjoying the ride!

 

[MD11Drvr]

I have flown the 3 Big Douglas's the DC-8,DC-10 and the MD-11. Of the 3 they all had their quirks, but the DC-10 of the 3 flys the best. I have never flown a Boeing product but from what everyone says it will be a pleasure. I am looking forward to flying something designed by engineers that liked pilots or at least act like they do. I will say this for the Douglas product though. They are all built like a brick sh*t house. Through the wall and out the other side.

 

[ABUSED PILOT]

There are times when we all look like we have 250 hours. Give the pilot a break till all the facts are in.

 

[414Flyer]

I have flown the 3 Big Douglas's the DC-8,DC-10 and the MD-11. Of the 3 they all had their quirks, but the DC-10 of the 3 flys the best. I have never flown a Boeing product but from what everyone says it will be a pleasure. I am looking forward to flying something designed by engineers that liked pilots or at least act like they do. I will say this for the Douglas product though. They are all built like a brick sh*t house. Through the wall and out the other side.

DC-4, 6, and 7 were built that way too.

 

[fogrunner]

Was it that bad flying that thing?

I have flown the 10 and the 11. The 10 is great to fly. I also enjoy the 11. You definitely need to be paying attention in the 11. I think the 11 is a wonderful machine.

 

[belchfire]

I have flown the 3 Big Douglas's the DC-8,DC-10 and the MD-11. Of the 3 they all had their quirks, but the DC-10 of the 3 flys the best. I have never flown a Boeing product but from what everyone says it will be a pleasure. I am looking forward to flying something designed by engineers that liked pilots or at least act like they do. I will say this for the Douglas product though. They are all built like a brick sh*t house. Through the wall and out the other side.

That's why there are still DC-6's, (a few)-7's, -8's and -9's out there. Never got to fly any of them sadly though I did get to play in a -6 simulator.

I've never flown the L-1011 or the Electra but I've never heard anything but praise for them. Lockheed did seem to design planes that pilots liked-maybe one of the reason that they are out of the passenger plane business!

The Big Boeing rules the roost though...what a wonderful machine!

 

[firstthird]

I've never flown the L-1011 or the Electra but I've never heard anything but praise for them.

well, being a former P-3 guy, I agree that it flew like an pilot's airplane but I think you stretch your argument too far. probably one of the reasons you've never flown an Electra is because it was a failure as a commercial airliner. having 2 of them come apart in flight (no survivors) due to harmonic waves is not the way to start a long career as a passenger airplane. they fixed it but it still had some 'interesting' characteristics. fugoid mode anyone?

p.s. interesting side fact. the British maritime patrol plane, the Nimrod, was based on a failed British airilner. the Comet. which also had 2 (?) midair breakups. (squarish windows w/o enough reinforcement for the stress risers created. I guess it really was a misunderstanding of the rigors of higher altitude flight and the pressurization problems. easy to say 50 years later). another failed airliner = another maritime patrol workhorse.

 

[Captzaahlie]

So GSXR600, is that a "personal" avatar or off the net somewhere? Inquiring minds wanna know.

looks like a very nice ride....
not the scooter, i already have one of those

 

[DA-20]

Well it didn't take Centurion long to ding one up

 

[PURPLEHAZE21]

The DC-10 lands itself....the pilot gets the credit. The MD-11 is it's evil twin....

 

[b707guy]

Well it didn't take Centurion long to ding one up

What did Centurion ding up?