MD-11 hard landing @ MEX

[MD11Drvr]

I have flown the 3 Big Douglas's the DC-8,DC-10 and the MD-11. Of the 3 they all had their quirks, but the DC-10 of the 3 flys the best. I have never flown a Boeing product but from what everyone says it will be a pleasure. I am looking forward to flying something designed by engineers that liked pilots or at least act like they do. I will say this for the Douglas product though. They are all built like a brick sh*t house. Through the wall and out the other side.

 

[ABUSED PILOT]

There are times when we all look like we have 250 hours. Give the pilot a break till all the facts are in.

 

[414Flyer]

I have flown the 3 Big Douglas's the DC-8,DC-10 and the MD-11. Of the 3 they all had their quirks, but the DC-10 of the 3 flys the best. I have never flown a Boeing product but from what everyone says it will be a pleasure. I am looking forward to flying something designed by engineers that liked pilots or at least act like they do. I will say this for the Douglas product though. They are all built like a brick sh*t house. Through the wall and out the other side.

DC-4, 6, and 7 were built that way too.

 

[fogrunner]

Was it that bad flying that thing?

I have flown the 10 and the 11. The 10 is great to fly. I also enjoy the 11. You definitely need to be paying attention in the 11. I think the 11 is a wonderful machine.

 

[belchfire]

I have flown the 3 Big Douglas's the DC-8,DC-10 and the MD-11. Of the 3 they all had their quirks, but the DC-10 of the 3 flys the best. I have never flown a Boeing product but from what everyone says it will be a pleasure. I am looking forward to flying something designed by engineers that liked pilots or at least act like they do. I will say this for the Douglas product though. They are all built like a brick sh*t house. Through the wall and out the other side.

That's why there are still DC-6's, (a few)-7's, -8's and -9's out there. Never got to fly any of them sadly though I did get to play in a -6 simulator.

I've never flown the L-1011 or the Electra but I've never heard anything but praise for them. Lockheed did seem to design planes that pilots liked-maybe one of the reason that they are out of the passenger plane business!

The Big Boeing rules the roost though...what a wonderful machine!

 

[firstthird]

I've never flown the L-1011 or the Electra but I've never heard anything but praise for them.

well, being a former P-3 guy, I agree that it flew like an pilot's airplane but I think you stretch your argument too far. probably one of the reasons you've never flown an Electra is because it was a failure as a commercial airliner. having 2 of them come apart in flight (no survivors) due to harmonic waves is not the way to start a long career as a passenger airplane. they fixed it but it still had some 'interesting' characteristics. fugoid mode anyone?

p.s. interesting side fact. the British maritime patrol plane, the Nimrod, was based on a failed British airilner. the Comet. which also had 2 (?) midair breakups. (squarish windows w/o enough reinforcement for the stress risers created. I guess it really was a misunderstanding of the rigors of higher altitude flight and the pressurization problems. easy to say 50 years later). another failed airliner = another maritime patrol workhorse.

 

[Captzaahlie]

So GSXR600, is that a "personal" avatar or off the net somewhere? Inquiring minds wanna know.

looks like a very nice ride....
not the scooter, i already have one of those

 

[DA-20]

Well it didn't take Centurion long to ding one up

 

[PURPLEHAZE21]

The DC-10 lands itself....the pilot gets the credit. The MD-11 is it's evil twin....

 

[b707guy]

Well it didn't take Centurion long to ding one up

What did Centurion ding up?

 

[lowtimedriver]

mmm....is G 14 classified information!

Just curious. Are you having any garage parties soon?

 

[DA-20]

What did Centurion ding up?

Their shinny new MadDog.
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=421928fc&opt=0

 

[shooter]

Their shinny new MadDog.
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=421928fc&opt=0

That landing forecast in the METAR of SUMU is WHACKED! I freaking HATE international meteorologists and observers!

 

[splatt]

Did any cause come out the FEDEX crash in Narita?

 

[YV-135C]

Uruguayan authorities, and Centurion MX are calling it "material failure". In other words "corrosion". The crew hasn't had any fingers pointed at them. The NTSB report will confirm this when it's released. I wonder how many old freighters out there have similar "material failures" waiting to happen?

 

[MD11Drvr]

That MD-11 is a former Gemini bird and just what I know about the 3 WOA picked corrosion is very likely. WOA spent much more than expected and repaired a lot of corrosion damage. They were not in very good shape and I am still shocked when the MBA types think getting airplanes from a financially strapped company will be smooth through a heavy check.

Uruguayan authorities, and Centurion MX are calling it "material failure". In other words "corrosion". The crew hasn't had any fingers pointed at them. The NTSB report will confirm this when it's released. I wonder how many old freighters out there have similar "material failures" waiting to happen?

 

[b707guy]

Their shinny new MadDog.

OUCH! That had to hurt. Guess it was only shiny on the outside...

I suppose the DFDR will tell the tale regarding descent rates and all the other pertinent values at touchdown. I think it was a DC-10, but I was surprised at the data available for the Fed Ex plane that, uh, had some difficulty landing in MEM a while back. If that much data is available here, it may very well tell whether corrosion or other "material failure" is the culprit.

 

[A1FlyBoy]

GSXR600 nicccce Avatar!

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Uruguayan authorities, and Centurion MX are calling it "material failure". In other words "corrosion". The crew hasn't had any fingers pointed at them. The NTSB report will confirm this when it's released. I wonder how many old freighters out there have similar "material failures" waiting to happen?

I am very familiar with the Uruguayan DGAC. (previous check pilot while delivering new jets to them for 6 months). They are a pretty interesting bunch. Alot of what is said and done has money involved. Trust me on this one.