2. My attitude is based on the fact that I am looking out for what is best for ASA....not what is best for you, mainline pilots, or the "profession". I think that any solution now will have "collatoral damage" including many regional pilots.
3. I'm not sure we are on the same side.
It's my job to do what is best for me...that's what most people are going to do...Any solution that doesn't keep that in mind is doomed to fail...As far as "blame" and getting over the past...you know the saying...Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it....I don't think we have learned from history yet....
You shouldn't have to "sell" ALPA...it should sell itself. I will say, you do better than you cohorts (Rez, PCL128, and waveflyer)...There constant attacks on those who disagree, and especially the Skywest pilots, makes it harder to take ALPA seriously.
See, now you have lost any support from about 30-40% of regional pilots....Any deal that puts a single mainline pilot senior to a regional pilot on the aircraft we fly, is a deal breaker. You may not agree with that, but that is simply a fact.
I feel that we are on the same side on this issue. And I also feel that doing what is best for you is not necessarily not the same thing as doing whats best for the profession. I just think we disagree on how to do what is best for the profession and hence, for you.
I also feel that we should learn from our mistakes as you said. But blaming people in of itself will not help. And as humans, we will always make mistakes, so I agree that we havent learned from history yet because history and mistakes are continuously being made.
You are also right in that I shouldnt have to sell ALPA insofar as that no one should have to sell voting in presidential elections. The fact is that there is some apathy among pilots. Im only trying to give facts and my opinions.
Also, any deal would probably include fences. Of course there will be drawbacks on both sides. But the regioanl pilot gains more qol in the end because there will no longer be the threat of your flying going to the lowest bidder.
Regionals are told what to do by ALPA national....I know because I have seen it first hand. Some tell ALPA national to pound sand....and some fold a cheap lawn chair.
Why should I support mainline in taking the flying back as a regional "lifer"? Keep in mind that depending on the regional, 35-40% plan on staying....What's in it for them?
Regianl MECs are NOT told what to do by ALPA other than whats in the administrative manual. And to change or amend the administrative manual, it requiers votes from regional regional pilots. Regional MECs can also solicity advice, council, facts, fromt he many departments within ALPA national. But there is no requirement to act on any of it. I know this because I have seen it first hand.
Whats in it for them is better qol because of job security. I thought you were all for brand scope?
And a superior chance of being furloughed. No thank you. Thanks for playing Commie, now go home. Joe at least looks out for me, and for that reason I like his views. Yours? Not so much. Bye.
Trojan
Not sure if that was for me but Ill reply anyways. What views exactly dont you like?
They want the same things that you and I want.
Of course they want the same thing. We all want better pay and qol. The question is, what can they do about it without a BA recognized by the NMB?
As an ASA ALPA volunteer, I can assure you that the Skywest pilots are pulling on the same rope. It is some ALPA carriers that are pulling against us at ASA. Mesa hurt us. Compass hurt us. The Skywest pilots are not "disrespectful" to me. How are they to you? Are the Mesa pilots "disrespectful" to you?
Our downward pressure isn't coming from our Skywest brothers. You are barking up the wrong tree and trying to pick a fight that isn't there. Do yourself and ALPA a failure. Please stop.
I can tell you from personal experience that SKW has applied downward pressure to at least on airline. The worst thing is that their pilots had no say or way to help mitigate that. In essence, they are pulling against us on the rope.
ALPA represents Mesa, and it puts downward pressure on ASA. ALPA created Compass, and it puts downward pressure on ASA.
The Skywest pilots aren't working on getting ASA pilots to reject ALPA. The movement is coming from ASA pilots who were ALPA reps. Former MEC members, and MEC officers are advocating dumping ALPA. Why is that? It isn't coming from Skywest pilots.
And just imagine how much worse it would be if Mesa or Compass were not ALPA/union. Do you think there would be more downward pressure then?
I hope this movement isnt because some see the situation at ASA as compared to SKW. Otherwise, the plan may be working better than they probably hoped for.
