Skywest, Republic, and ALPA

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So arguably the two biggest regionals now, Skywest and Republic, have either no Union at all (Skypest) or a worthless union (Repuke-lic). It seems as maybe the majors have decided not to do as much business with the stronger regionals, and have slowly given more flying to these two scumbag outfits.
Maybe we (ALPA regionals) are our own worst enemy by becoming too strong?
 

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Perhaps.... what do you suggest? Should we de certify representation so we can be like them..... or should they unify with us..... so we can all be stronger?
 

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We don't need a union (yet) our managment treats/listens to us very well. So long as this relationships continues, we'll save our dues and they will keep us a competetive product. Should the need ever arise to adopt a union you can be sure ALPA will never see past the terminal glass.
 
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We don't need a union (yet) our managment treats/listens to us very well. So long as this relationships continues, we'll save our dues and they will keep us a competetive product. Should the need ever arise to adopt a union you can be sure ALPA will never see past the terminal glass.
Translation: "F-ck the profession, what's in it for me?" :rolleyes:
 

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Translation: "F-ck the profession, what's in it for me?" :rolleyes:

Because they're not ALPA?!?! Your translation seems fit for many ALPA carriers, and ALPA itself.
 

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We don't need a union (yet) our managment treats/listens to us very well. So long as this relationships continues, we'll save our dues and they will keep us a competetive product. Should the need ever arise to adopt a union you can be sure ALPA will never see past the terminal glass.

there is so much more than your relationship with management.

If govt decides to change the rules not in your favor... your managemnt will comply. And there is nothing you can do about it.

What really burns... is the money you make for your company is used to lobby govt for rules which benefit the investors. Not you. So bascially you are funding your own demise. Until you have representation, you are screwing yourself....
 

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So arguably the two biggest regionals now, Skywest and Republic, have either no Union at all (Skypest) or a worthless union (Repuke-lic). It seems as maybe the majors have decided not to do as much business with the stronger regionals, and have slowly given more flying to these two scumbag outfits.
Maybe we (ALPA regionals) are our own worst enemy by becoming too strong?
Maybe your companies have become too weak as a whole. Just another way to look at it. Its funny, I am sure the Skypest and Repuke-lic groups are laughing at you as they read this stuff. FYI Unions do not run companies. The minute you see any union controling your company/management you better run. Both of these groups have very strong companies, although the unions may be much more to be desired.
 

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there is so much more than your relationship with management.

If govt decides to change the rules not in your favor... your managemnt will comply. And there is nothing you can do about it.

What really burns... is the money you make for your company is used to lobby govt for rules which benefit the investors. Not you. So bascially you are funding your own demise. Until you have representation, you are screwing yourself....
Whaaatttt????
Have you being around the past decade or so? How has "representation" prevented you from being screwed? Skywest has never engaged on "paid-to-fly" with its partners. Everything we have is based on performance, contract, etc... How are we stabbing our "brothers" in the back?

One of the clauses on the DL and NW merger contract(both ALPA, mind you) cites a 5 year "fence" on the 777 and 747. No other aircraft. Even after one certificate, nobody can touch those 2 planes for 5 years. Whyyyy???? Because your ALPA reps and MEC's wanted to guarantee what's best for them (they are among the most senior on the property and just "happens" to fly those 2 airframes). They could give a d*mn about everybody else that they "supposed" to represent. They made sure they guaranteed what was best for them and ran with it.
Exactly same scenario with the age 65. They wanted to keep flying, so screw what the majority that they "represent" wanted. Your ALPA leadership will do what's best for them. If it happens to benefit you as well, great. If not, they really don't lose sleep over it.

Skywest is not perfect. Far from it. But now you're gonna tell me that ALPA would solve our problems is just pure stupidity. You want ALPA; good for you. I hope you're happy. If we don't, leave us alone. You honestly don't think that a sandwich and a t-shirt would buy my vote, did you? Come up with facts instead of "If the government / If management / If this, If that" and we can talk.
 

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Most of us at SkyWest chose to come here due to the exact labor group/management relationships that most other companies have failed rather consistently. You see the union as a means to strong arm your employers into the standards you wish to have in your career, which the unfortunate poor management of your respective company's create. We chose to avoid those relationships by choosing an employer with a reputation of valuing their employees and circumnavigating the need for organized labor that in the end has no more guarantee for your career than without.
 

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You see the union as a means to strong arm your employers into the standards you wish to have in your career
No, we see the union as a means of having a voice in our own careers. We have a voice in our profession, not just at our own companies, but in Washington, DC, at ICAO, at IFALPA, etc... You don't.
 

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Gulfstream Academy motto, PCL?
PCL was at 2 of the biggest scumbag outfits there are (Gulfstream then Pinnacle) and is now at what is, or has been, known as a "scab" airline. You can't possibly take anything this jerk has to say seriously. Talk about "F-the industry, whats in it for me?"....what an idiot.
 

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No, we see the union as a means of having a voice in our own careers. We have a voice in our profession, not just at our own companies, but in Washington, DC, at ICAO, at IFALPA, etc... You don't.
Maybe these voices should speak a little louder.
 

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Translation: "F-ck the profession, what's in it for me?" :rolleyes:
This coming from someone who paid to sit in the right seat at Gulfstream...Then went to Pinnacle....all to further YOUR career....Hypocrite!

Your quote could easily be applied to many ALPA pilots....Age 60, Scope, Mergers....Most everyone "looks out for me" before the profession...ALPA or not......
 

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Edit: Nevermind.....not worth it.
 
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Most of us at SkyWest chose to come here due to the exact labor group/management relationships that most other companies have failed rather consistently. You see the union as a means to strong arm your employers into the standards you wish to have in your career, which the unfortunate poor management of your respective company's create. We chose to avoid those relationships by choosing an employer with a reputation of valuing their employees and circumnavigating the need for organized labor that in the end has no more guarantee for your career than without.
Thats funny if you think that skywest is giving you decent wages/work rules because you guys are freinds. It's business. Everything is "strong armed". Unions threaten to strike. Non union airlines threaten to unionize. Which is better, I don't know. Clearly ALPA has failed future generations in many ways. However some day we will be in control and hopefully be able to make some changes.
 

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ALPA doesn't give us anything except the Threat to bring it here. God help us if we ever really needed to become ALPO represented. That would be my cue to leave.
 

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Whaaatttt????
Have you being around the past decade or so? How has "representation" prevented you from being screwed? Skywest has never engaged on "paid-to-fly" with its partners. Everything we have is based on performance, contract, etc... How are we stabbing our "brothers" in the back?

One of the clauses on the DL and NW merger contract(both ALPA, mind you) cites a 5 year "fence" on the 777 and 747. No other aircraft. Even after one certificate, nobody can touch those 2 planes for 5 years. Whyyyy???? Because your ALPA reps and MEC's wanted to guarantee what's best for them (they are among the most senior on the property and just "happens" to fly those 2 airframes). They could give a d*mn about everybody else that they "supposed" to represent. They made sure they guaranteed what was best for them and ran with it.
Exactly same scenario with the age 65. They wanted to keep flying, so screw what the majority that they "represent" wanted. Your ALPA leadership will do what's best for them. If it happens to benefit you as well, great. If not, they really don't lose sleep over it.

Skywest is not perfect. Far from it. But now you're gonna tell me that ALPA would solve our problems is just pure stupidity. You want ALPA; good for you. I hope you're happy. If we don't, leave us alone. You honestly don't think that a sandwich and a t-shirt would buy my vote, did you? Come up with facts instead of "If the government / If management / If this, If that" and we can talk.

perhaps yo forget to reply to the fact that your labor at OO pays for lobbyist to keep legislation and policy in management;s favor. Maybe you ddon't understand it... or maybe you don't care....


Look at it this way..... the 2009 pilot act is being considered by congress. ALPA is talking to congressional committees and congressmen about what pilots want/need in that legislation.

In addition, ALPA has an established relationship with the FAA Admin. Babbitt has stated that he can fix the problem in policy before it gets to Congress. You can bet ALPA has been talking with Babbitt.

ALPA has the respect of the new head of the NTSB.

ALPA has the respect of the new NMB chair.


What skywest doesn't have is ALPA or any representation. Decisions will be made that will effect you, yet you will be silent on the matter. No one cares what you think because you don't care enough for yourself to be heard. Why should you be concerning when you don't care about yourself in the first place.

After the 2009 pilot act... then comes rest and duty times. Do you think Skywest pilots will be effected by rest and duty times? Or is your relationship with management beyond the CFR?

After that it is Opens Skies II. Think you job is safe? The UAL pilots are fighting for themselves on this ATI and Aer Lingus deal. If it doesn't go well, OO pilots will be effected...

What about the MPL?

The list goes on... everything that effects a Skywest pilot is determined on CapHill or on the international scene of which ALPA is involved...

alpa.org
ifalpa.org
ttd.org
icao.org
iftglobal.org

Of course all gains for pilots by ALPA includes Skywest pilots. You've got yourself a win win situation for yourself. Yet what you lack is a self defined or agreed upon code that enables you to move beyond the job status of merely a worker to a professional. Skywest (and Jetblue) pilots are simply hourly workers. They are no different than FA's, gate agents and rampers. Airport workers. Management sees you no differently. They have no desire to view you for the professional that you are. Your management team just like most, don't want you viewed as a highly trained, college educated aviator with vast responsibilities. Until you gain representation that is all you'll be.....

How you can smugly pretend that your world is total and complete within your relationship with management shows a freshmen ignorance and arrogance.
 
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