Skywest, Republic, and ALPA

[Uncle Bunkle]

So arguably the two biggest regionals now, Skywest and Republic, have either no Union at all (Skypest) or a worthless union (Repuke-lic). It seems as maybe the majors have decided not to do as much business with the stronger regionals, and have slowly given more flying to these two scumbag outfits.
Maybe we (ALPA regionals) are our own worst enemy by becoming too strong?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Perhaps.... what do you suggest? Should we de certify representation so we can be like them..... or should they unify with us..... so we can all be stronger?

 

[BrickTop]

We don't need a union (yet) our managment treats/listens to us very well. So long as this relationships continues, we'll save our dues and they will keep us a competetive product. Should the need ever arise to adopt a union you can be sure ALPA will never see past the terminal glass.

 

[PCL_128]

We don't need a union (yet) our managment treats/listens to us very well. So long as this relationships continues, we'll save our dues and they will keep us a competetive product. Should the need ever arise to adopt a union you can be sure ALPA will never see past the terminal glass.

Translation: "F-ck the profession, what's in it for me?"

 

[say again]

Translation: "F-ck the profession, what's in it for me?"

Because they're not ALPA?!?! Your translation seems fit for many ALPA carriers, and ALPA itself.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

We don't need a union (yet) our managment treats/listens to us very well. So long as this relationships continues, we'll save our dues and they will keep us a competetive product. Should the need ever arise to adopt a union you can be sure ALPA will never see past the terminal glass.

there is so much more than your relationship with management.

If govt decides to change the rules not in your favor... your managemnt will comply. And there is nothing you can do about it.

What really burns... is the money you make for your company is used to lobby govt for rules which benefit the investors. Not you. So bascially you are funding your own demise. Until you have representation, you are screwing yourself....

 

[RobCat]

So arguably the two biggest regionals now, Skywest and Republic, have either no Union at all (Skypest) or a worthless union (Repuke-lic). It seems as maybe the majors have decided not to do as much business with the stronger regionals, and have slowly given more flying to these two scumbag outfits.
Maybe we (ALPA regionals) are our own worst enemy by becoming too strong?

Maybe your companies have become too weak as a whole. Just another way to look at it. Its funny, I am sure the Skypest and Repuke-lic groups are laughing at you as they read this stuff. FYI Unions do not run companies. The minute you see any union controling your company/management you better run. Both of these groups have very strong companies, although the unions may be much more to be desired.

 

[Brazilgun]

there is so much more than your relationship with management.

If govt decides to change the rules not in your favor... your managemnt will comply. And there is nothing you can do about it.

What really burns... is the money you make for your company is used to lobby govt for rules which benefit the investors. Not you. So bascially you are funding your own demise. Until you have representation, you are screwing yourself....

Whaaatttt????
Have you being around the past decade or so? How has "representation" prevented you from being screwed? Skywest has never engaged on "paid-to-fly" with its partners. Everything we have is based on performance, contract, etc... How are we stabbing our "brothers" in the back?

One of the clauses on the DL and NW merger contract(both ALPA, mind you) cites a 5 year "fence" on the 777 and 747. No other aircraft. Even after one certificate, nobody can touch those 2 planes for 5 years. Whyyyy???? Because your ALPA reps and MEC's wanted to guarantee what's best for them (they are among the most senior on the property and just "happens" to fly those 2 airframes). They could give a d*mn about everybody else that they "supposed" to represent. They made sure they guaranteed what was best for them and ran with it.
Exactly same scenario with the age 65. They wanted to keep flying, so screw what the majority that they "represent" wanted. Your ALPA leadership will do what's best for them. If it happens to benefit you as well, great. If not, they really don't lose sleep over it.

Skywest is not perfect. Far from it. But now you're gonna tell me that ALPA would solve our problems is just pure stupidity. You want ALPA; good for you. I hope you're happy. If we don't, leave us alone. You honestly don't think that a sandwich and a t-shirt would buy my vote, did you? Come up with facts instead of "If the government / If management / If this, If that" and we can talk.

 

[BrickTop]

Most of us at SkyWest chose to come here due to the exact labor group/management relationships that most other companies have failed rather consistently. You see the union as a means to strong arm your employers into the standards you wish to have in your career, which the unfortunate poor management of your respective company's create. We chose to avoid those relationships by choosing an employer with a reputation of valuing their employees and circumnavigating the need for organized labor that in the end has no more guarantee for your career than without.

 

[PCL_128]

You see the union as a means to strong arm your employers into the standards you wish to have in your career

No, we see the union as a means of having a voice in our own careers. We have a voice in our profession, not just at our own companies, but in Washington, DC, at ICAO, at IFALPA, etc... You don't.