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Translation: "F-ck the profession, what's in it for me?" :rolleyes:

This coming from someone who paid to sit in the right seat at Gulfstream...Then went to Pinnacle....all to further YOUR career....Hypocrite!

Your quote could easily be applied to many ALPA pilots....Age 60, Scope, Mergers....Most everyone "looks out for me" before the profession...ALPA or not......
 
Edit: Nevermind.....not worth it.
 
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Most of us at SkyWest chose to come here due to the exact labor group/management relationships that most other companies have failed rather consistently. You see the union as a means to strong arm your employers into the standards you wish to have in your career, which the unfortunate poor management of your respective company's create. We chose to avoid those relationships by choosing an employer with a reputation of valuing their employees and circumnavigating the need for organized labor that in the end has no more guarantee for your career than without.

Thats funny if you think that skywest is giving you decent wages/work rules because you guys are freinds. It's business. Everything is "strong armed". Unions threaten to strike. Non union airlines threaten to unionize. Which is better, I don't know. Clearly ALPA has failed future generations in many ways. However some day we will be in control and hopefully be able to make some changes.
 
ALPA doesn't give us anything except the Threat to bring it here. God help us if we ever really needed to become ALPO represented. That would be my cue to leave.
 
Whaaatttt????
Have you being around the past decade or so? How has "representation" prevented you from being screwed? Skywest has never engaged on "paid-to-fly" with its partners. Everything we have is based on performance, contract, etc... How are we stabbing our "brothers" in the back?

One of the clauses on the DL and NW merger contract(both ALPA, mind you) cites a 5 year "fence" on the 777 and 747. No other aircraft. Even after one certificate, nobody can touch those 2 planes for 5 years. Whyyyy???? Because your ALPA reps and MEC's wanted to guarantee what's best for them (they are among the most senior on the property and just "happens" to fly those 2 airframes). They could give a d*mn about everybody else that they "supposed" to represent. They made sure they guaranteed what was best for them and ran with it.
Exactly same scenario with the age 65. They wanted to keep flying, so screw what the majority that they "represent" wanted. Your ALPA leadership will do what's best for them. If it happens to benefit you as well, great. If not, they really don't lose sleep over it.

Skywest is not perfect. Far from it. But now you're gonna tell me that ALPA would solve our problems is just pure stupidity. You want ALPA; good for you. I hope you're happy. If we don't, leave us alone. You honestly don't think that a sandwich and a t-shirt would buy my vote, did you? Come up with facts instead of "If the government / If management / If this, If that" and we can talk.


perhaps yo forget to reply to the fact that your labor at OO pays for lobbyist to keep legislation and policy in management;s favor. Maybe you ddon't understand it... or maybe you don't care....


Look at it this way..... the 2009 pilot act is being considered by congress. ALPA is talking to congressional committees and congressmen about what pilots want/need in that legislation.

In addition, ALPA has an established relationship with the FAA Admin. Babbitt has stated that he can fix the problem in policy before it gets to Congress. You can bet ALPA has been talking with Babbitt.

ALPA has the respect of the new head of the NTSB.

ALPA has the respect of the new NMB chair.


What skywest doesn't have is ALPA or any representation. Decisions will be made that will effect you, yet you will be silent on the matter. No one cares what you think because you don't care enough for yourself to be heard. Why should you be concerning when you don't care about yourself in the first place.

After the 2009 pilot act... then comes rest and duty times. Do you think Skywest pilots will be effected by rest and duty times? Or is your relationship with management beyond the CFR?

After that it is Opens Skies II. Think you job is safe? The UAL pilots are fighting for themselves on this ATI and Aer Lingus deal. If it doesn't go well, OO pilots will be effected...

What about the MPL?

The list goes on... everything that effects a Skywest pilot is determined on CapHill or on the international scene of which ALPA is involved...

alpa.org
ifalpa.org
ttd.org
icao.org
iftglobal.org

Of course all gains for pilots by ALPA includes Skywest pilots. You've got yourself a win win situation for yourself. Yet what you lack is a self defined or agreed upon code that enables you to move beyond the job status of merely a worker to a professional. Skywest (and Jetblue) pilots are simply hourly workers. They are no different than FA's, gate agents and rampers. Airport workers. Management sees you no differently. They have no desire to view you for the professional that you are. Your management team just like most, don't want you viewed as a highly trained, college educated aviator with vast responsibilities. Until you gain representation that is all you'll be.....

How you can smugly pretend that your world is total and complete within your relationship with management shows a freshmen ignorance and arrogance.
 
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PCL was at 2 of the biggest scumbag outfits there are (Gulfstream then Pinnacle) and is now at what is, or has been, known as a "scab" airline. You can't possibly take anything this jerk has to say seriously. Talk about "F-the industry, whats in it for me?"....what an idiot.


The guy put his job on the line by starting a petition to get membership ratification for his pilot group. He was threaten by managment with his job for empowering the pilot group....

Your thoughts?
 
Most of us at SkyWest chose to come here due to the exact labor group/management relationships that most other companies have failed rather consistently. You see the union as a means to strong arm your employers into the standards you wish to have in your career, which the unfortunate poor management of your respective company's create. We chose to avoid those relationships by choosing an employer with a reputation of valuing their employees and circumnavigating the need for organized labor that in the end has no more guarantee for your career than without.

well said
 
The guy put his job on the line by starting a petition to get membership ratification for his pilot group. He was threaten by managment with his job for empowering the pilot group....

Your thoughts?
My thoughts? I think you're an over-dramatic clown. thats what my thoughts are. put his job on the line? threatened by management? oooh! how terribly scarry! wow....

you guys are pathetic.
 
Rez O. Lewshun; said:
Until you gain representation that is all you'll be.....


So if I can wear an ALPO pin, then I'll be a real pilot?

Is that how it works?
 
What makes you professional at Skywest?
Rez...all due respect, but what makes CFIT and other SkyWest pilots unprofessional? Is it because they choose to not participate in an establishment that a majority of the workgroup feels is broken? Let me tell you, I've dealt with pilots from many airlines, and I've never met a more consistently professional group of pilots than the pilot group at SkyWest.

Note that I refer to professionalism in regard to the areas where it counts, not just based on wearing a certain lanyard or pin -- knowledge & airmanship, appearance & conduct, and a willingness to do the right thing.

I know the response I'll get from this: "If these pilots would join and participate in ALPA, things would be better"...while the other end of the argument is, "If ALPA hadn't, in our eyes, failed it's membership, then perhaps we would consider joining".

I'm not siding with either the pro-union or anti-union side here...I can see the benefit of both situations...but, it's been a circular argument as long as most of us have been in this business. At what point do you just agree to disagree?...and how do the underhanded accusations of lacking professionalism toward a non-member workgroup really help your cause?
 
I've got a question for Bricktop, CFIT, Biglebowski and FOREST GUMP. I want honest answers here. What would happen if organized labor (ALPA, Teamsters, APA, SWAPA, USAPA, etc.) all ceased opperations in the aviation community? Would that be a good thing or a bad thing? What effect would that have on you, SkyWest pilots?

Walter, feel free to chime in here as well. It might be nice to get an SGU perspective.
 
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I've got a question for Bricktop, CFIT and FOREST GUMP. I want honest answers here. What would happen if organized labor (ALPA, Teamsters, APA, SWAPA, USAPA, etc.) all ceased opperations in the aviation community? Would that be a good thing or a bad thing? What effect would that have on you, SkyWest pilots?

Walter, feel free to chime in here as well. It might be nice to get an SGU perspective.
well, obviously the airline industry would shut down and cease to exist. Since its obvious that no type of industry could possibly operate without the guidance of such upstanding and reputable leadership like all those unions.
 
The new head of Teamsters Local 747, which represents RAH pilots, put in 30 years as an ALPA member, and as an elected leader of his airline's membership along the way. He has stated that he feels ALPA is broken beyond repair, and that most of its support comes from nostalgia, not actual performance over the last decade.. The Local 747 has been weak thanks to the former President, who ran unopposed and for other reasons is in a world of legal issues related to his management of the Local. Our new trustees are trying to turn the ship around here at Local 747, and the next two years will decide the fate of Teamsters on the RAH porperty.

I sincerely wish Skywest would unionize. Things have gone well for the pilots there, but they do not realize how the lack of organization in their workforce is damaging the rest of us. I know Skywest guys in general don't mean to harm us all, and don't see the consequences, but that does not change the fact that they are causing damage to our profession. Union membership does not define professionalism, but it does define character. The 3% you sacrifce could help to raise the wages in our segment of the industry 5% to 15% in the short term, and more down the road.

I will never trust ALPA to represent the interests of a regional airline so long as ALPA is representing the pilots of the contracting major airline. It is a conflict of interests. Any gains acheived at the regional level come at the expense of mainline, and vice versa. I will only join ALPA is an ALPA mainline carrier purchases my aircraft and adds me to their mainline seniority list. End of story.
 

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