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crash312

crash312

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I'm looking at either the Iphone or Palm Pre, but use APDL (Airline Pilot Daily Log) electronic logbook and don't want to switch. The APDL people are saying they might have Iphone or Pre versions at some point but I can't wait, my treo just broke.

Is there anybody that has an Iphone with the styletap emulator or the Pre with the Motionapps Classic emulators and are able to fully use the APDL including importing trips from FLICA?

If not does, the Iphone have any log programs that can import from Flica or Crewtrac?

Thanks
 
Palm offers a Palm OS for the Palm Pre. (The Pre runs on WebOS) So I'm guessing ADPL will work.

Anyone tried CrewTrac with the Pre yet?
 
Web OS is a whole different ball game. The classic emulator will let you run APDL but from what I understand you no longer have the ability to sync the log with Logbook Pro. Not sure if you can even import schedules either. I haven't tried it yet. My new Pre is nothing more than an expensive paperweight right now. I am waiting for a new shipment to get it replaced.
What I was going to do was pick up a cheap used palm pilot off ebay and just leave it in my flight bag just to run ADPL. That way I am not stuck to a phone that supports ADPL.
 
tweeter125 said:
What I was going to do was pick up a cheap used palm pilot off ebay and just leave it in my flight bag just to run ADPL. That way I am not stuck to a phone that supports ADPL.
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Easiest, least stress free way. Take it home once a month to sync up and download the schedules.
 
What I was going to do was pick up a cheap used palm pilot off ebay and just leave it in my flight bag just to run ADPL. That way I am not stuck to a phone that supports ADPL.

I was thinking the same thing too but was hoping APDL would be able to run with the emulator. If you get it to run let me know. If it doesn't I'm back to the Iphone vs. Pre dilemna.
 
sweptback said:
Easiest, least stress free way. Take it home once a month to sync up and download the schedules.
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Bingo!

That's exactly what I do. Easiest and cheapest way to keep logbook pro and have the phone you want.
 
The logbook pro / APDL is so outdated its not even funny. The program is virtually the same as it was several years ago. The mobile version is clunky, and not user friendly. The computer based software feels like an access database (which it basically is). Not to slam the authors, it was great when it came out... but is so outdated now.

I am developing an airline logbook app for pre. it will sync automatically over a web based version, to hold your logbook info online.
 
sounds good...are you going to have the ability to import schedules from flica or crewtrac? keep us updated, i'm sure i'm not the only one looking.
 
Was hoping by now someone would have one and have tried the APDL...no luck. It would certainly make the decision easier. For now I bought a used treo on ebay since mine broke. Think I'll wait to see if the apps for the Pre actually appear as promised.
 
I'm holding off on the pre til some of the bugs are worked out.

Anyone here have it? How's it holding up to the airline rigors?
 
paulsalem said:
I'm holding off on the pre til some of the bugs are worked out.

Anyone here have it? How's it holding up to the airline rigors?
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My sentiments as well. The phone looks promising but I would like to see how it holds up over the next 6 months or so.
 
I got the Pre today. I like it so far, although it does seem to be having battery issues.

As far as running APDL...

You can install the Classic App (which is free for 7 days and then costs $30) and then install APDL on top of that. That worked fine.

As far as syncing... To up sync your trips you have to create the .prc file through the APDL Scheduling Importer and then use the USB transfer on the Pre to copy it to the Classic App installer directory. Then, in theory, it should import the trip into the APDL program. It didn't work when I tried it, but I only tried it once and didn't do any troubleshooting. I have no idea how to sync back into Logbook Pro.

A thing of note though... APDL was designed for a stylus. A lot of the buttons and click points are WAY too small to consistantly hit with your finger. It almost seems to me that it will be more trouble than it's worth.

If somebody can develope a native Pre app that has the ability to import trips from CrewTrack/Flica and then dump the times back into LBP, I would dump APDL in a heartbeat. For now, I'm just going to carry around my old Treo in my flightcase and use it as a PDA with no phone signal so I can still use APDL on it.
 
Thanks for the info. Keep us updated about your experience with the Pre.

As for no stylus, many times I just use the click button on my pen. Particularly if I already have the pen in my hand.
 
NCFlyer said:
As for no stylus, many times I just use the click button on my pen. Particularly if I already have the pen in my hand.
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Me too... Or just my fingernail, assuming I hadn't bitten it off worrying about my FO's next landing.

However, the touchscreen on the Pre *seems* to be a lot less sensitive to location. I did try using the stylus from my Treo755 when running APDL on the ClassicApp and it didn't work very well.
 
I just bought a ipod touch and bought the fly schedule program. Works pretty well I feel ur pain about palm phone issue, I replaced 3 palms in less than 6months...lost all contacts and flight hrs. I can watch movies and play games without phone battery issues. Although I am still getting used to the keyboard as u can probably see, I am happy with it so far. I love Apple products but a sprint customer.
 
rumorhasit said:
I just bought a ipod touch and bought the fly schedule program. Works pretty well I feel ur pain about palm phone issue, I replaced 3 palms in less than 6months...lost all contacts and flight hrs. I can watch movies and play games without phone battery issues. Although I am still getting used to the keyboard as u can probably see, I am happy with it so far. I love Apple products but a sprint customer.
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I considered the same thing until during a family reunion over Thanksgiving. My brother has an I Phone and he let me try it for a hour or more. It only took me about 10 minutes to decide that I didn't care for the touch screen keyboard and prefer an actual keyboard with buttons. Maybe I would have gotten used to it but that 1st and only experience convinced me not to get one.
 
paulsalem said:
How does the Pre browser interface with CrewTrac? Does it display the "View Schedule" link?
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It displays the link and loads the top of the page where the NOTIFICATIONS icon is, but it stops there. What's interesting is the old Treo browser was able to display the actual schedule, although you weren't able to click it. I'm hoping the new version of CrewTrack (which so far I think just AirTran is using... we tried it and our IT guys couldn't make it work) will support more browsers.

As far as the IPhone, I can't use the keyboard. Something of note though, the Pre keyboard is slightly smaller than the Treo ones and some of the keys are moved around a bit. I keep hitting enter when I am typing a text message and sending a half completed text.
 
Palm Pre is the only way to go. The keyboard makes it the best option for me as well as being able to open multiple apps. As far as logbook pro I am still using my old centro until logbook pro works for my Pre or someone comes up with another program. Either way I am very very very happy with my Pre.
 
LogTenMobile is the best thing going for the iPhone. It's from coradine.com I still use LBP to import my schedule 'till Coradine comes up with an importer...soon, I hope.
 
Hovernut said:
LogTenMobile is the best thing going for the iPhone. It's from coradine.com I still use LBP to import my schedule 'till Coradine comes up with an importer...soon, I hope.
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So you import your scheduled schedule from LBP to your iPhone's LogTenMobile app, or you import your flown schedule from your iPhone to LBP?
 
anyone use a centro?

How does it run APDL? I don't think I've ever seen anyone use one, just curious. Also, do you need the data/internet plan to use APDL if you just planning on recording times and sync'ing them to your PC logbook pro? I don't think I'd ever use the schedule inporter.
 
gt2 said:
How does it run APDL? I don't think I've ever seen anyone use one, just curious. Also, do you need the data/internet plan to use APDL if you just planning on recording times and sync'ing them to your PC logbook pro? I don't think I'd ever use the schedule inporter.
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Yes. No, I use a line you plug form phone to comp. Why would you not use the importer? It makes life a bunch easier.
 
From what i've read, APDL has no plans to even make software for the iPhone...

A lot of pilots have requested that they create an app for this but they say they aren't going to change and update.

I've used a program called "SafeLog" and it is constantly being updated and becoming more and more 121 friendly. They have a computer based program that you can back up online and then use your iPhone to log your time and then upload to the server where you can kind of sync.

For the computer program:
http://dauntless-soft.com/products/safelog/

For the iPhone application:
http://dauntless-soft.com/products/safelog/iphone/

Web-based Logbook:
http://safelogweb.com/
 
My Pre is junk

I gotta get rid of the POS Pre, no batt life, touch screen is not sensitive enough, you can't type without hitting the enter key, running multiple apps is great except they have few apps so never really used it. Locks up when using Flica all the time. Movie player jutters and resets, I'm done with this, back to my old treo or selll my soul to iapple.
 
tweeter125 said:
Web OS is a whole different ball game. The classic emulator will let you run APDL but from what I understand you no longer have the ability to sync the log with Logbook Pro. Not sure if you can even import schedules either. I haven't tried it yet. My new Pre is nothing more than an expensive paperweight right now. I am waiting for a new shipment to get it replaced.
What I was going to do was pick up a cheap used palm pilot off ebay and just leave it in my flight bag just to run ADPL. That way I am not stuck to a phone that supports ADPL.
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Thats what I did. I have been holding off on the pre until some of the bugs are worked out. I ended up buying a palm pilot on ebay. Barely used, its about the size of a calculator for $33 shipped. I only use it to run APDL and it will go all month on one charge. At first I didn't want two seperate devices but I like it now.
 
Just as an update (seeing as somebody else dredged this thread back up), you are able to load trips into the Pre (Classic App) version of APDL by running the trip through the scheduling importer and then using the USB sync. It installs in APDL the same way it always has.

To sync your flown trips with LBP you need to export your month of flying (in the classicapp menue there is an Export function) to the internal memory card of the ClassicApp (which doesn't really exsist because it's an emulator). Then plug in the USB and you will be able to copy the .prc file that you exported to your computer. If you put it in the backup folder of your old palm desktop profile and then run LBP PDA sync it will copy your trips in.

Sory of a pain, but it does work for now.
 

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