Informational Stapling Compass to Delta Website

[FDJ2]

And Dalpa gave Comair Shi* for wanting a PID! You guys are SOOO behind the curve. Oh, and by the way, Comair has been selected to handle crew scheduling operations for Compass. You heard it here first. Be careful what you ask for.

ASA/CMR attempted to dictate terms to the Delta pilots and force an unjustified PID. The PID was denied because it was uncalled for. There was no merger, therefore no need for a PID.

Outsourcing crew scheduling? Wow. File that single carrier petition today. That's almost as significant as having DAL napkins onboard CMR aircraft.:laugh:

 

[701EV]

ASA/CMR attempted to dictate terms to the Delta pilots and force an unjustified PID. The PID was denied because it was uncalled for. There was no merger, therefore no need for a PID.


FDJ2,

Can you tell me what terms ASA/CMR were trying to dictate?

701EV

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

It was my understanding some of the CMR guys wanted DOH or something rediculous like that. Am I off base here?


CPZ would be a strict staple job, or no go.

 

[JoeMerchant]

It was my understanding some of the CMR guys wanted DOH or something rediculous like that. Am I off base here?


CPZ would be a strict staple job, or no go.

The PID was to be done in accordance with ALPA merger policy...not DOH....DOH is a lie that the Delta MEC spread to rally the troops...and it worked....

 

[JoeMerchant]

It was the chain of events Joe. Not the PID but the lawsuit and its effects on the entire situation.
You know that. It is the actions of some that negatively effected the profession.
I am not going to go in to mud slinging mode, but you know what I am referring to.
It did not start out about money, it was about seniority integration. That changed. We cannot let this happen this time around. No one will stand for it.
It is time to learn from our mistakes instead of perfecting them the second time around.

What about the PID did you oppose? I do not know "what you are referring to"....you need to be more specific.

 

[FDJ2]

ASA/CMR attempted to dictate terms to the Delta pilots and force an unjustified PID. The PID was denied because it was uncalled for. There was no merger, therefore no need for a PID.


FDJ2,

Can you tell me what terms ASA/CMR were trying to dictate?

701EV

Sure, the PID. They tried to jam a PID down DALPA's throat.

 

[FDJ2]

The PID was to be done in accordance with ALPA merger policy...not DOH....DOH is a lie that the Delta MEC spread to rally the troops...and it worked....

Joe, you've stated before that seniority integration should be done by DOH.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I opposed the demands of a few. You can do the merger of a mainline and its regional partner anyway you want. Career expectations make anything but a staple a pipe dream. I knew this when I was on the other side of then fence.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe, you've stated before that seniority integration should be done by DOH.

Not true....I've stated that IF you choose to want a staple, then I will shoot for DOH...neither is fair in this situation....The best solution is something that protects BOTH sides....Your side doesn't want that...It wants all the upside without the downside...

ALPA merger policy is not DOH....

 

[JoeMerchant]

I opposed the demands of a few. You can do the merger of a mainline and its regional partner anyway you want. Career expectations make anything but a staple a pipe dream. I knew this when I was on the other side of then fence.

What "demands"....? The PID would have been done in accordance with ALPA merger policy which would not have been DOH.....

How do you define "career expectations", and how should a merger be carried out in accordance with "career expectations"?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Simple. As a 15 year CA at ASA you expect to hold a CRJ A slot. As a FO here at DAL I expect to hold 777A. Those are the expectations.
I know you do not like that, but that is the way that it is.
That is why CPZ is a unique situation. This banter is just that.
I am not going to argue the past with you.
With all of the energy you spend ripping ALPA a new one, don't you think you could channel it and put it to good use. You seem to have all of the answers.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Simple. As a 15 year CA at ASA you expect to hold a CRJ A slot. As a FO here at DAL I expect to hold 777A. Those are the expectations.
I know you do not like that, but that is the way that it is.

Simple? OK...How about Delta merging with Midwest or Air Tran....Using your logic, they should just be stapled....Is that your position?

In addition, using your logic, do you "expect to hold a CL900 captain seat?

I agree that I have absolutely NO expectation of holding a B777 captain seat....I wonder why you have an expectation of holding a 700/900 seat....Double standard maybe?

That is why CPZ is a unique situation. This banter is just that.
I am not going to argue the past with you.
With all of the energy you spend ripping ALPA a new one, don't you think you could channel it and put it to good use. You seem to have all of the answers.

You are the one that seems to have all the answers...I used to be an ALPA cheerleader, but forgive me if I've seen the light...ALPA first started giving lip service to the scope issue in 1995....and now 14 years later we are still having the same debates and are further apart then we were then...I am not impressed.....

 

[ACL65PILOT]

What do MEH and AAI fly Joe? IMHO airframes that have comparable pay and seat size. As with AS I would expect those guys to be slotted in with pilots with similar seniority in the stove pipe effect.
Hence 73N and the m88, and 717. Those guys expect to be a 717 A, etc. They will get to be a 777A but they will not go ahead of someone that is occupying their current seat in a stove pipe.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Joe's about as thick as anyone out there. At least his ignorance is actually helping our cause in garnering support.

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

Concurrent resolutions in Councils 1 and 20 would go a long way to shoring this up.

Does anyone want to carry this ball in MSP and/or DTW?

Nu