Delta Pilots Association - DPA

[outtahere]

Let me clarify, I do not leave any commuters behind when I am the Captain flying the flight. I believe in Karma and just would'nt do that to another commuter. No my joy comes when I am commuting myself and a Delta pilot gets left behind because the plane is full. See that is Karma at its best there.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

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You know what, you arrogant pricks are forgetting one little point. As soon as these. Contracts are signed with this flying that you "own", it is no longer your flying. ASA has a contract with Delta for x number of airframes, you can put whatever you want in your next contract for all future flying, but what we are doing today we will be doing until our contract with Delta is up. Exactly. You work for a sub-contractor, who with the stroke of a pen can lose its contract. Last time I checked, Skywest Inc didn't sit down with Dalpa to negotiate their lift agreement. They did not sit with DALPA directly, but the ability to sit with delta mgmt to bid on said flying is because a cut out in DALPAs contract. You see, while it appears to you we have no say, we do. Your job is only as good as your contracting company to do the job cheaper than the next contractor at renewal time. This is what makes lifers such as yourself angry, nervous, jealours etc. You have seen guys junior to yourself leave over the years and there you sit. Also personally I don't give a ******************** if y'all like us or respect us cause I can tell you the feeling is mutual. Alot of us came from the commuters. We don't dislike most of y'all, just the Joey's, and I guess I'll add you along with the rjdc LOOSERS. Nothing puts a smile on my face faster than getting the last seat on an ASA airplane and leaving a Delta guy behind. No problem. Call in honest works great. Remember it was your grand plan to change our boarding priority after we were sold so that you all could bump our senior guys off your a/c. Why shouldn't they go ahead of someone who is a subsiderary/contractor? Guess y'all forgot that alot of your pilots commute out of most of the cities we service. And one more thing, I don't want a staple to anybodys list. I'm perfectly fine where I am thanks. If I want a job at Delta I will apply, though I don't see that happening, I could never amass an ego big enough to fill the double breasted jacket. Pretty sure you could not make it thru the process. Then once you were shot down and more of your fos get hired, that chip on your shoulder would just be that much bigger. Thats why you are where you are. Hell, there is about 5000 of us delta pilots that had to sneak in thru the back door

 

[outtahere]

They must really pump your head full of ******************** in indoc when you go to Delta. " You guys are now the cream of the crop of all airline pilots" and you morons believe it. I don't have the desire to go to a major because it would negatively impact my quality of life for a long time, not to mention the very real possibility of a furlough that I just cannot afford. Then you couple that with flying with some of these Delta pricks, and the fact that I just could never think that I was the uber pilot and all the little regional pukes should bow down. All that together makes me think that I'd rather stay at ASA and bet on the fact that Delta pilots, as egotistical as they are, will never sacrafice a single penny in their contract for scope. Personally, I feel pretty secure at ASA, matter of fact, I think there will come a day when we are flying much larger aircraft because you guys can't quit compenstaing for having a little dick.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

They must really pump your head full of ******************** in indoc when you go to Delta. Have not been to indoc yet. I believe we FNWers are supposed to get some form of initiation at fort widget this fall. We are going to be eased thru this transition as sky gods in phases. Have to take it slow, so our heads don't explode. Uniforms, end of March. That alone will give most of us greater feeling of superiority. Then the final transformation in the fall, where we learn the secret handshake and codewords. At that point, you may bow at our feet. " You guys are now the cream of the crop of all airline pilots" I am glad you are finally seeing the light. and you morons believe it. I don't have the desire to go to a major because it would negatively impact my quality of life for a long time(translation. I missed the boat in the early 90s, then again in the late 90s, married a asa fa, had a few pups, watched all my former fos and current fos get hired at other majors while I was enjoying my seniority. Now I wake up and I'm 45 and still at a company that is subject to losing its contract every 5-10 yrs as the flying shifts around to the lowest seniority group), not to mention the very real possibility of a furlough that I just cannot afford. Then you couple that with flying with some of these Delta pricks, and the fact that I just could never think that I was the uber pilot and all the little regional pukes should bow down. All that together makes me think that I'd rather stay at ASA and bet on the fact that Delta pilots, as egotistical as they are, will never sacrafice a single penny in their contract for scope. Personally, I feel pretty secure at ASA, matter of fact, I think there will come a day when we are flying much larger aircraft because you guys can't quit compenstaing for having a little dick.

Good luck. Everyone has to have a dream.

 

[propdog]

Personally, I feel pretty secure at ASA, matter of fact, I think there will come a day when we are flying much larger aircraft because you guys can't quit compensating for having a little dick.

Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
If a senior position at a regional is better than a junior position at a major...Why should the regional pilot go below the major pilot?

Until unless you start applying to majors, you won't be flying anything bigger at ASA.

But if you're happy with what you're flying and your quality of life, nothing wrong with flying for ASA. But as others mentioned, you are a contractor for Delta. You are not entitled to ANY flying at Delta.

By the way, I too worked my a$$ off at a regional hoping to make it to a major. I left my seat at regional (worth +$75,000/year) and a very good quality of life to go to a major and start at the bottom making $30,000 sitting reserve in Anchorage. That is an investment I made towards my future....I feel more secure flying for the 'airline' itself and not a contractor.

Is my job 100% secure....NO. However, if we bring a regional carrier (eg: Compass) under our group...do not for a second think that it will be anything but STRAIGHT STAPLE. We Paid the price....took huge cuts in salary and QOL to work for a major....you didn't...so please stand in line. Thanks.
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[eaglesview]

With the last five or so posts you can see why ALPA can not work. They have know clue who they represent. If I were al DAL/NWA I would vote in house in a second. Still looking for that chance here at UAL

 

[ACL65PILOT]

They must really pump your head full of ******************** in indoc when you go to Delta. " You guys are now the cream of the crop of all airline pilots" and you morons believe it. I don't have the desire to go to a major because it would negatively impact my quality of life for a long time, not to mention the very real possibility of a furlough that I just cannot afford. Then you couple that with flying with some of these Delta pricks, and the fact that I just could never think that I was the uber pilot and all the little regional pukes should bow down. All that together makes me think that I'd rather stay at ASA and bet on the fact that Delta pilots, as egotistical as they are, will never sacrafice a single penny in their contract for scope. Personally, I feel pretty secure at ASA, matter of fact, I think there will come a day when we are flying much larger aircraft because you guys can't quit compenstaing for having a little dick.

I have to say you are awesome. I mean it. It takes a ton of work to be so hateful towards a group. What it is indicative of is a guy that does not do his home work. I was one of your former coworkers. There were a few people like you over at ASA. Fact is that most people looked up to their big brother. It is OK that you do not want to admit that.
I can tell you that I looked at staying there too. I became very familiar with the realm that ASA and all DCI operators work in. I read the contracts and realized that best case scenario I was looking at five to ten more good years at the regional before it stated to take some serious lums. That is only about two years away. I hope you are smart enough to see this .

Most of the pilots that I fly with here, do there job and go home. Politics are not something they get in to. So when some spews this crud, they have no paitence for it. It is ones like me and Puffdriver that will have a good heathy debate with you becuase like you we were in your shoes at one time. We have seen both sides of the fence and I hate to say it but this side is greener.

 

[Raoul Duke]

One benefit of booting ALPA is knowing that 100% of dues money is actually used to the benefit of Delta pilots, not competing carriers. In addition it would be an immediate cut in all of the BS overhead that ALPA has carried for too long.

 

[TurboAWD]

Booting ALPA creates more problems then it solves.

Turbo

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

How you figure??? We (the majors) carry the financial burden at ALPA. Without us, it is bankrupt and gone. I would prefer to stay ALPA but I don't feel we get our value from them anymore, due to natl. being afraid of thier shadow and not clearly explaining what the role/risk is to be a subcontracter.
They have done a terrible job explaining that as a subcontracter you have NO RIGHTS to any flying. At some point some of you (RJDC, LIFERs) felt this loaned out flying is yours. Its not, and ALPA has failed to address this.

Booting ALPA creates more problems then it solves.

Turbo

 

[JoeMerchant]

Fins,
Here is just one post of many when you were on the ASA side of the scope fence....It was in a thread from back in 2004...It's no different than what I just posted....Only difference is you have changed your opinion now that you are on the other side of the scope fence that is defending neither of us...

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=36549&highlight=Fins+RJDC

General: I think you are right. I'm trying to find the source of the "6,000" number that I remember reading. More important to ALPA than the furloughs - is that 6,000 is very close to the number it would lake to wrestle ALPA back from those who hijacked the union and the hijackers are not giving up that easy. Those in power ( with half million dollar ALPA compensation packages ) do not want to risk "democracy" at a BOD meeting.

You are also assuming the RJDC litigation, filed prior to the Statute of Limitations for a cause of action resulting from changes when the C2K scope took effect, doesn't exist.

Cohen, Weiss and Simon may have to put a leash on the Delta MEC, or the Delta MEC may have to leave ALPA in order to successfully take jobs from ASA and Comair pilots. Your jets for jobs proposals will get a different reception from the ASA and Comair pilots and we have already seen ALPA's play book by watching what mainline did to the US Air Express pilots.

General, it is nothing personal, but we will defend ourselves. Your MEC sold scope and now those "permitted aircraft types" are being flown by other ALPA members with just as much right to negotiate as you have. I believe this is the last time we will see mainline lock out other ALPA members on the property because the Courts will intervene. All the pieces are already in place and yet, ALPA is walking right into the breach.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Here is another Fins quote from the same thread.....

General:

Have you forgotten that your MEC is responsible for this alter ego mess?

Its hard to feel too sorry for the Delta pilots when they got exactly what they negotiated for.

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I understand your frustration Fins....but I am not saying anything you didn't say when you were still at ASA....

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I think that he stills feels that most of this mess could be avoided. We are working from this side to fix that.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I think that he stills feels that most of this mess could be avoided. We are working from this side to fix that.

1. The best chance to "fix" this was back in 2000...The cost is much higher now....I doubt there is the political will to spend the negotiating capital that would be required...

2. I seriously doubt either of you are too concerned about how the "fix" affects ASA pilots now that both of you have left....

 

[hockeypilot44]

1. The best chance to "fix" this was back in 2000...The cost is much higher now....I doubt there is the political will to spend the negotiating capital that would be required...

2. I seriously doubt either of you are too concerned about how the "fix" affects ASA pilots now that both of you have left....

Why didn't you leave?