1108 Union Leadership Abandons Hostages

[Fedmagnet]

Its seems that the 1108 Leadership has chosen to leave behind the Hostages taken during the campaign to land our first contract at Flight Options.

In the past the leaders swore that "No Hostages Will Be Left Behind".

Looks like Ricci has full control of the 1108, the labor dispute here at Flight Options may be over.

 

[brokeflyer]

that sucks.....source? I'd like to read about it.

Ya gotta be tough with those managment types if you wanna be treated right. Remember, their only objective is to get you to fly unsafe aiplanes for free.

 

[guido411]

For those of us no longer in this battle

More details, please. There are many that have left Flops but still keep an eye on what's going on there. I have many friends that are still at Flops including several of the 1108 Leadership you just threw mud at. What has happened?

 

[skanza]

Ya gotta be tough with those managment types if you wanna be treated right. Remember, their only objective is to get you to fly unsafe aiplanes for free.

You're kidding, right? If not, you might want to knock a little of that chip off your shoulder. You may want to think for yourself sometime and not just take what the union tells you as fact.

Now go ahead and accuse me of being management and I'll enjoy being thoroughly disguised by your incorrect assumption.

 

[Fedmagnet]

Skumza,
Most pilots of Flight Options pilots have stacks of documentation and pay stubs that have proven for many years that "their only objective is to get you to fly unsafe aiplanes for free."

But that subject is for another thread.

This thread is about International Brotherhood of Teamsters 1108 Leadership giving up on the pilots that fought for a contract and were taken Hostage by Flight Options Management.

 

[jonjuan]

that sucks.....source? I'd like to read about it.

Ya gotta be tough with those managment types if you wanna be treated right. Remember, their only objective is to get you to fly unsafe aiplanes for free.

I'm sure NJA owners would love to know Santulli and friends only objective is to get their pilots to fly unsafe airplanes.

 

[jetlag7]

I'm sure NJA owners would love to know Santulli and friends only objective is to get their pilots to fly unsafe airplanes.

NJA is no longer with the Teamsters. They left 1108 last summer.

This thread is about 1108 and Flight Options.

 

[jonjuan]

NJA is no longer with the Teamsters. They left 1108 last summer.

This thread is about 1108 and Flight Options.

And???
My response was to the post in this thread about "being tough with management if you wanna be treated right. Remember, their only objective is to get you to fly unsafe aiplanes for free."

 

[waka]

Its seems that the 1108 Leadership has chosen to leave behind the Hostages taken during the campaign to land our first contract at Flight Options.

In the past the leaders swore that "No Hostages Will Be Left Behind".

Looks like Ricci has full control of the 1108, the labor dispute here at Flight Options may be over.

Please give details and sources....or at least the reason you believe this. If you just say stuff and don't back it up, you sound like those idiots B19 and skanza

 

[HSDriver]

Its seems that the 1108 Leadership has chosen to leave behind the Hostages taken during the campaign to land our first contract at Flight Options.

In the past the leaders swore that "No Hostages Will Be Left Behind".

Looks like Ricci has full control of the 1108, the labor dispute here at Flight Options may be over.

Please elaborate.

 

[CALRepublic]

I'm sure NJA owners would love to know Santulli and friends only objective is to get their pilots to fly unsafe airplanes.

So now you're attacking NetJets and Santulli because Brokeflyer made that comment???....this is a public forum, he speaks for himself, not the whole group. Here he is out of our jurisdiction, every man for himself.... FYI, I DO NOT agree with his comment.

Now can we PLEASE talk about FLOPS and 1108, and leave NetJets alone.

Yo, thread stater, can you please elaborate, some of us are not that familiar with FLOPS' internal affairs

 

[skyismyoffice]

Skumza,
Most pilots of Flight Options pilots have stacks of documentation and pay stubs that have proven for many years that "their only objective is to get you to fly unsafe aiplanes for free."

But that subject is for another thread.

This thread is about International Brotherhood of Teamsters 1108 Leadership giving up on the pilots that fought for a contract and were taken Hostage by Flight Options Management.

What are you refering to?

 

[Narrow Bridge]

Its seems that the 1108 Leadership has chosen to leave behind the Hostages taken during the campaign to land our first contract at Flight Options.

In the past the leaders swore that "No Hostages Will Be Left Behind".

Looks like Ricci has full control of the 1108, the labor dispute here at Flight Options may be over.

Just another example of the lies we were told by the 1108. The fallen pilots are nothing more than speed bumps for the Leadership. I'm at the end of my rope with this mess. We've been waiting for 3 years and we aren't going to get crap from these guys.

 

[brokeflyer]

so what happened?....post the source cause I wanna read about this.....

 

[TurboHonda]

This was lifted from the IBT board. It was posted by one of the leadership and is being re-posted here without permission:

Not True......
All hostage cases are and will be reviewed on an individual basis. It will be up to the lawyers and EBoard to determine which cases will be sent to an arbitrator for final outcome.

In the future, Fedmagnet, some level of substantiation should accompany anonymous rumors.

 

[shanes123]

You Flops guys want to Kick start that union..Everyone get together and dont give them another cent in dues..Back when I was there the union had a strong leader.. That is not the case anymore

 

[Narrow Bridge]

You Flops guys want to Kick start that union..Everyone get together and dont give them another cent in dues..Back when I was there the union had a strong leader.. That is not the case anymore

I think most of us have.

 

[TurboHonda]

I think most of us have.

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What's this "US" crap? Is that a B-19 in your pocket, or is the water just cold.

 

[FR8DOG777]

I see the divide and conquer tacticts are still being employed. It is a bit presumptuous to accuse the 1108 leaders of such an offense without a ta or contract in place. Yes lets all just stop paying our dues, that will show them, hell I might even send theminto fud and harrysax instead might quicken the demise of flops and be done with it. Don't lose sight of the prize. I am going to go out on a limb here and predict we will have a contract soon or flops will be one of the 9,000-12,000 businesses filing bankruptcy in 2009. Fly the pledge and pay your dues.

 

[brokeflyer]

if all else fails call the "SHAMWOW" guy to negotiate for ya.....

 

[shanes123]

Let me start by saying I was a big Union supporter when I was there..
However lets pay our dues and follow the weak leadership blindly into bankruptcy..That makes perfect sense..Some people just are not able to think for themselves..Guess some people need something to believe in regardless..Flops 1108 had a strong leader..that is clearly no longer the case..From what I hear most pilots are fed up with the Union as well as management. (I am not a B19 or Scumza that thinks management is gonna saves all of you) The pilots have sent a message to Flops when they voted in the Union..Now they need to send a message to the Union..at least they might have a decent pay wage for a few months before HIG drops the hammer..

 

[Narrow Bridge]

Don't lose sight of the prize. I am going to go out on a limb here and predict we will have a contract soon or flops will be one of the 9,000-12,000 businesses filing bankruptcy in 2009. Fly the pledge and pay your dues.

What prize are you talking about? Wake up from your dream. If you think we are getting any payraise when this is finished, your nuts. Turn on your television dude, it isn't going to happen.

 

[Fedmagnet]

Substantiation

Here is one email from a string sent to many Flight Options pilots:

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Mat Slinghoff <[email protected]> wrote:

[ex-flops pilot],

On several occasions we have approached senior management, including the new administration, on behalf of all the pilots, you included, who were terminated for various reasons since the Union was voted in. We were successful in getting one terminated pilot reinstated, while another terminated pilot settled his dispute with the company. That settlement did not include his reinstatement. Management has made it clear they have no interest in returning the remaining terminated pilots to employment at Flight Options under any circumstances. I am sorry, but their is nothing further we can do on your behalf at this company.

Mat

 

[shanes123]

that letter from your leader speaks Volumes..Follow them Blindly and keep paying your dues

 

[993_Pilot]

if all else fails call the "SHAMWOW" guy to negotiate for ya.....

We already thought of that, but it turns out that he's related to Ricci !

 

[Capt Spike]

Rotten!

You have nothing better to do? Negativity, complaining, that's all you are capable!

I do not see you trying to get involved and
coming up with solutions, taking up a leadership role and attempting to make the changes you are so eager to mouth!

The union is not perfect. Remember, everyone there is volunteering. You are complaining about it but what would have been if we had zero representation?
I bet the furloughed would have been the higher salaries and seniority would have meant crap. Just like at Shares and XO Jet. That captain that got fired? Even he got due process with a steward right beside him even though his file was 10 inches thick of his own doing. There are and have been hostages; he is not one of them!

Come on! Act like a decent person, come and help instead of throwing more gasoline into the fire. We all know how cohesive we need to me right now.

 

[TurboHonda]

You have nothing better to do? Negativity, complaining, that's all you are capable!

I do not see you trying to get involved and
coming up with solutions, taking up a leadership role and attempting to make the changes you are so eager to mouth!

The union is not perfect. Remember, everyone there is volunteering. You are complaining about it but what would have been if we had zero representation?
I bet the furloughed would have been the higher salaries and seniority would have meant crap. Just like at Shares and XO Jet. That captain that got fired? Even he got due process with a steward right beside him even though his file was 10 inches thick of his own doing. There are and have been hostages; he is not one of them!

Come on! Act like a decent person, come and help instead of throwing more gasoline into the fire. We all know how cohesive we need to me right now.

Bullshirt!! This is where I part company with everyone. I know and respect both the MEC and the pilot in question. If he is not a hostage, no one is. If this is the unraveling of everything we’ve fought for, I’ll just say good night and God bless.

 

[FR8DOG777]

O.K. narrow mind, you sufficiently pi$$ed me off so I'll bite. First of all I don't watch tv as I have better things to do with my time. Secondly, this is not the only thing I am capable of doing to put food on the table. I will define what the PRIZE means to me.

The PRIZE is banishing an unconscionable management team

The PRIZE is shutting down a company that wishes to subsidize its operations with pilots wages

The PRIZE is running into a fellow brother in arms ten years from now and looking him/her in the eye with the full respect we took a stand and fought long and hard side by side to make things better

The PRIZE is looking back with the self pride I took in ensuring that the precious cargo I had on board (our owners) were flying on an airplane that was fit for flight while our management would have them flying on one that was not

The PRIZE is not living life with FEAR as the determining factor of my thoughts, deeds, and actions

The Prize is sending a message to management that we know the position we are in as a company and will do what is required of us, however we will not be compensated less than a competitor flying a turbo-prop

The situation that currently faces the company and the union is ripe for a catastrophic conclusion, but bailing out on the union is at best a cop out. You better be prepared for the doors to close tomorrow. The ball is now in the companies court. If they want another war then it is war they will have. If they choose to seek a fair and peacefull resolution then they will have the full support of every line pilot union or not. Time will soon tell my friend, as for now Mat and the negotiating commitee has my full support.

 

[dime line]

O.K. narrow mind, you sufficiently pi$$ed me off so I'll bite. First of all I don't watch tv as I have better things to do with my time. Secondly, this is not the only thing I am capable of doing to put food on the table. I will define what the PRIZE means to me.

The PRIZE is banishing an unconscionable management team

The PRIZE is shutting down a company that wishes to subsidize its operations with pilots wages

The PRIZE is running into a fellow brother in arms ten years from now and looking him/her in the eye with the full respect we took a stand and fought long and hard side by side to make things better

The PRIZE is looking back with the self pride I took in ensuring that the precious cargo I had on board (our owners) were flying on an airplane that was fit for flight while our management would have them flying on one that was not

The PRIZE is not living life with FEAR as the determining factor of my thoughts, deeds, and actions

The Prize is sending a message to management that we know the position we are in as a company and will do what is required of us, however we will not be compensated less than a competitor flying a turbo-prop

The situation that currently faces the company and the union is ripe for a catastrophic conclusion, but bailing out on the union is at best a cop out. You better be prepared for the doors to close tomorrow. The ball is now in the companies court. If they want another war then it is war they will have. If they choose to seek a fair and peacefull resolution then they will have the full support of every line pilot union or not. Time will soon tell my friend, as for now Mat and the negotiating commitee has my full support.

Well Said

 

[Fedmagnet]

Then and Now

Then:

From: Mat Slinghoff [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:05 AM
To: [removed]
Cc: [ex-Ffops pilot]
Subject: Fwd: Resume
[removed],

Here is [ex-flops pilot] resume. [ex-flops pilot] was our Industrial Relations Chairman and was terminated from Flight Options under questionable circumstances. We consider him to be a hostage. As we discussed on the phone, he would like to apply for employment at [removed]. Anything you could do to expedite this process would be much appreciated. Please let me know what you can come up with.

Mat
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7/8/08
Notes from the P2P Meeting:
“All hostages will be coming back one way or another, including the canpass hostages.”


Now:

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Mat Slinghoff <[email protected]> wrote:

[ex-flops pilot],

On several occasions we have approached senior management, including the new administration, on behalf of all the pilots, you included, who were terminated for various reasons since the Union was voted in. We were successful in getting one terminated pilot reinstated, while another terminated pilot settled his dispute with the company. That settlement did not include his reinstatement. Management has made it clear they have no interest in returning the remaining terminated pilots to employment at Flight Options under any circumstances. I am sorry, but their is nothing further we can do on your behalf at this company.

Mat