Jetblue Pilots Vote Union Down

[jbucpt]

You FRIGGIN morons. Why do you thing USAirways pay on the 190 is so low? Its because they matched JetBlue's original payscale. The pay sucks because we made it that way. If we had a union, we would have had a say. Now we'll just continue to bend over and take it.

how can this be?? they have a union and must have "BARGAINING LEVERAGE?? oh wait, the pilots got screwed by their ALPA BRETHENS and now its the jetblue pilots fault..........???

 

[Noserider76]

Why wouldn't you want protections that a union can afford?

Because he's got his at the top of the list and he's very afraid, with union representation, some of the C-scalers that allow him that wage may want some of the pie and have the leverage to get it.

Often forgotten in the talk of concessions and imperfect unions is the fact that almost everything that makes this job desireable was achieved by ALPA over a very long period of time. He and every non-ALPA pilot group are the direct beneficiaries of decades of the blood and sweat of ALPA members. Though they benefit from years of pattern bargaining, they and others willing to do this job for much less than the rates others have worked for, are the biggest culprits in the downward spiral of the profession.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Well this isn't a surprise. It's actually quite typical for the first union vote. When the union drive begins, the senior pilots earning over $150K/yr usually come out strong against union representation. Their seemingly "educated" comments tend to sway many newer, younger, less experienced pilots who in return vote "no" for union representation.

Management breathes a sigh of relief, the senior pilots go back to their homes with their swimming pools and Merdedes Benz's, and the junior pilots go back to their apartments and crash pads thinking they made a good decision; yet they have a lingering concern in the back of their minds.

The following year, the majority of the pilot group begin to realize that they are not the ones bringing home $150K+ and they are not enjoying the fruits of their labor as much as those who voted against the union. The management continues business as usual; pissing off pilots, abusing work rules, and offering nothing in the way of improvements.

The second attempt at unionization usually passes with an overwhelming majority vote. And it only wasted a couple years, thousands of work hours, and many of your hard earned dollars for the rest of the pilot group to pull their heads out of their butts.

I'm sure someday the exact same process will unfold at my airline.

smells like animal farm....

 

[Daddy]

Smells like somethin

 

[coogebeachhotel]

Anyone at Nortwest/Delta that can confirm or deny the rumor that the names of BOB's is circulating the forums?

If this is true it could be an ugly commute

 

[FLYLOW22]

Guys. Congrats on a good test run.

I have talked to all of my buddies at jB about the vote. All were in favor of a Union but many were concerned about the next chapter if the Union were voted in.

It didn't seem like the pilot group had much confidence in a new Union with no clear agenda or leaders. Many pilots stepped up to organize a vote but many pilots did not know who the actual leaders would be.

I bet the vote for many was a NO simply because they didn't know exactly what YES was a vote for. Sometimes bad in hand is better than the unknown behind door #1.

Organization... clear an simple organization is something to definitely have for the next drive.

And I believe that there WILL be another drive.

Good luck to all. Pay attention to promises made and actually delivered.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Hey bayou bitch. Get back and clean the cabin. Keep up the good work. I'm sure your nose is so far up Barger's ass you can tell what he had for lunch. Way to continue to drag the rest of the profession to your substandard level! Ass wipe!
And as far as the American comment. Let's see how, and if you girls make it for 80+ years. Probably since there are idiots like yourself willing to do it for less!
For the yes voters, my apologies. The comments were directed at the blue bayou's of the company.

Lighten up Francis!!! I have never said I was anti-union. I was anti-JBPA. They never once answered a question I had from how much it would cost to how the organization would be run. They lacked the basics of skills and was for the most part-- disorganized. I wasn't going to jeopardize my career with a bunch of neophites negotiating for their first time, ever. How long was pro-bono lawyers going to last?

Let's face it, many on the Bluepilots website and people like you turned us off with your emotional tirades. If there was a more professional and positive attitude from people like you, the outcome might have been different... But by your response, I see nothing has changed!!!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Lighten up Francis!!! I have never said I was anti-union. I was anti-JBPA. They never once answered a question I had from how much it would cost to how the organization would be run. They lacked the basics of skills and was for the most part-- disorganized. I wasn't going to jeopardize my career with a bunch of neophites negotiating for their first time, ever. How long was pro-bono lawyers going to last?

Let's face it, many on the Bluepilots website and people like you turned us off with your emotional tirades. If there was a more professional and positive attitude from people like you, the outcome might have been different... But by your response, I see nothing has changed!!!

Of course it hasn't. You've got yours and didn't want any of the junior guys sharing in it.
I bet the sunlight hurts when you crawl out from under that rock. Now get back and clean the cabin rugrat.

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Lighten up Francis!!! I have never said I was anti-union.

From 2006:

If we had a union, we would be in talks for years to get what the E-190 guys got for a raise. Better yet, how many airlines are giving raises at this time-- ah lets count them, ZERO!!! A unionized airline would have furloughed about 100 pilots this past September/October with the reduction in flight hours. No union thus far has retained anything as far as pay, benefits, pensions, or work rules for many of your so called "Legacy" carriers-- thanks, I'd rather keep my 2-3 percent than give it to those weak "live to fight another day" folks who are supposedly defending our way of life, RIGHT!!! They've done nothing but collapse to company demands time and time again...

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

From CaptainSpaz in 2005:

I used to work for a company that used AAN's certificate. I really liked those guys, and it is my belief that they really tried to run a tight operation. The problem was that every lowlife operator in the country flocks to certificates for hire so they can operate with little or no oversight at their home base. These POS operators generally hire cowboys for operations and cheats for maintinence.

There was only so much they could do to oversee more than 50 aircraft and their crews from St. Louis. I have been saying for a long time that piggy backing on certificates likely will be outlawed sooner than later. It looks like it is coming sooner. I hate to see trouble like this come down on Doug and Steve, though. If ya'll are reading this, take care!

Go Boys!!!

 

[xpdriver]

We Are The Dumbest Pilot Group In The Country!!!!

Good Luck..

 

[ultrarunner]

I belive the split was 67%/33%

100% of the list voted?

That would be precedent-setting!

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Bayou,

I think my point was obvious, what's yours? Cowboys fan, you betcha.

Spaz

 

[Andy Neill]

100% of the list voted?

That would be precedent-setting!

No. 33% voted yes to some union (even one called Silence) and the others didn't vote. The only way to cast a no vote was to not vote for the union. Of the 67%, it is divided among those who didn't bother or those who chose not to have a union.

 

[ultrarunner]

Ok, I guess I wasn't clear in my original posting. What percentage of the list cast a ballot?