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It's in reverse order of seniority meaning those that have joined the pilot ranks at that airline most recently are the first to go.
 
It depends on the pecking order.

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FBN0223 said:
At Delta seniority means nothing, it's done by ratios.
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Seniority means everything. But your seniority is where you sit on the list. You can be at an airline 15 years, if you are the bottom guy you will get furloughed. Or you can be at an airline 5 years, and be 30% off the bottom and furlough free.
 
michael707767 said:
Seniority means everything. But your seniority is where you sit on the list. .
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So how do you determine where you sit on the list at Delta. Is it:

A) The last four numbers of your SS#
B) Your date of birth in dd/mm format
C) The time it takes to sprint from the terminal to concourse E in ATL. Quickest time is most senior.
D) How many ounces of grits you can eat in one sitting. More ounces equals more seniority.

At NWA, we use a method called "Date of Hire." It's quite a simple method, Delta guys and gals. The way it works is the first day you show up for class is your "date of hire." Classes starting after yours are filled with fellow pilots who are more junior.

I think sometime back in the 1930's, NWA thought about having a Lutefisk eating contest to determine seniority but the non-Norwegians complained and in the end "Date of Hire" was determined to be the most fair.
 
FBN, taking a non NWA/DAL related post to baseless stupid bickering in only 6 posts. Great job.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
FBN, taking a non NWA/DAL related post to baseless stupid bickering in only 6 posts. Great job.
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Maybe he thinks the bottom USAir East guy (17 years) should bump top Captains at AWA? Oh wait, that is a different deal since USAir was going to liquidate...

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Someone needs to liquidate you, Gen..... I'll bet you would probably be worth about 32 cents for the scrap value....

-Sorry, Gen, but it is a buyer's market for scrap horse dung these days-back at the peak, you probably could have fetched about fitty cent!
 
no1pilot2000--Welcome to big time aviation. Keep your head down and watch the feces fly! Good question, though.

This thread is GOOO-OOOD! :D

Funny replies so far from:

crj567
FBN0223 (2)
stlflyguy

Keep 'em coming. BTW, ALPA reminds me of the absentee slumlord--collecting money from the residents of a bunch of ratty properties. ;) :laugh:

TC
 
General Lee said:
Maybe he thinks the bottom USAir East guy (17 years) should bump top Captains at AWA? Oh wait, that is a different deal since USAir was going to liquidate...

Bye Bye--General Lee
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Mention the words seniority integration and the Delta boys will always say, "remember how that went at USAIR." It's gotten to be so predictable that's it's now a little game I play. Kinda like teasing Pavlov's dog. The NW guys love it.

Ok here goes... "Date of Hire."

any time now, that train's never late......
 
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For example....

"It is hard to overstate the near-total emasculation of ALPA's bargaining posture that such comments from the ALPA National president would have created. ALPA is perhaps the most centralized union in the airline industry. Unlike AMFA, the IAM, or the IBT, there are no local unions. Virtually all political and financial power resides within the National structure. For President Woerth to communicate to APA that he did not support the TWA pilots' bargaining posture was to cut them off at the knees. In my view, the comments would be worse in their impact than an attorney communicating to the counsel of his client's adversary that he placed no store in his own client's position."
 
stlflyguy said:
"It is hard to overstate the near-total emasculation of ALPA's bargaining posture that such comments from the ALPA National president would have created. ALPA is perhaps the most centralized union in the airline industry. Unlike AMFA, the IAM, or the IBT, there are no local unions. Virtually all political and financial power resides within the National structure. For President Woerth to communicate to APA that he did not support the TWA pilots' bargaining posture was to cut them off at the knees. In my view, the comments would be worse in their impact than an attorney communicating to the counsel of his client's adversary that he placed no store in his own client's position."
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Yeah, because AA/TWA was a "merger" right? And TWA would have lasted as a stand alone carrier, right?

You should be happy you got anything at all.
 
FBN0223 said:
Mention the words seniority integration and the Delta boys will always say, "remember how that went at USAIR." It's gotten to be so predictable that's it's now a little game I play. Kinda like teasing Pavlov's dog. The NW guys love it.

Ok here goes... "Date of Hire."

any time now, that train's never late......
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Not exactly, we relay on more than just the last Nicolau award....take a read:


The NWA Committee places great stock in the fact that NWA’s integration with
Republic, and the prior Republic integrations (North Central/Southern, Republic/Hughes
Airwest) were all accomplished using Date of Hire or Date of Hire adjusted for length of
service, and that that is so because Date of Hire is a “bedrock” principle of seniority
integration. T. 2047 (Averill). However, that history demonstrates nothing, because at
all relevant times, as the attached chart shows, ALPA Merger Policy favored Date of
Hire.36 ALPA amended its Merger Policy in 1991 and deleted any reference to Date of
Hire. Since then, there have been three arbitrated seniority integration awards – US
Airways and Shuttle (Nicolau, 1988), Atlas and Polar (Harris, 2006) and America West
and US Airways (Nicolau, 2007). In each of these cases, one or the other of the parties
proposed a list based in whole or in part on Date of Hire – the US Airways pilots in the
Shuttle and America West cases and the Atlas pilots in Atlas and Polar. In each of these
cases, the list was constructed on a ratio basis, with the arbitrator either rejecting Date of
Hire outright (America West and Atlas) or the proponent withdrawing it (Shuttle).
Indeed, the last Date of Hire list awarded by an arbitrator under ALPA Merger
Policy was the list created by Arbitrator Roberts in Northwest and Republic 20 years ago.
And no matter how the “success” of that award is trumpeted by the NWA pilots, that
revisionist view is not consistent with the facts. First, the list prompted 20 years of
efforts to undo its effects, resulting in 24 post-award arbitrations.


When was the last DOH award? PDT and ALG? I bet your own lawyer used that same case during his last case, fighting for USAir East.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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