Airline furloughs

[FBN0223]

Maybe he thinks the bottom USAir East guy (17 years) should bump top Captains at AWA? Oh wait, that is a different deal since USAir was going to liquidate...

Bye Bye--General Lee

Mention the words seniority integration and the Delta boys will always say, "remember how that went at USAIR." It's gotten to be so predictable that's it's now a little game I play. Kinda like teasing Pavlov's dog. The NW guys love it.

Ok here goes... "Date of Hire."

any time now, that train's never late......

 

[Turtle21]

Or your Union can choose not to represent you at all.

stlflyguy

Anyone who flew with a TWA uniform has my respect.

 

[stlflyguy]

Waaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaa.......

Quite your bitchin!

Your MEC screwed you, not ALPA.


Get over it or die pissed off.

d0uche bag.

Said by someone with the same intellect as his avatar.

stlflyguy

 

[Turtle21]

BTW, ALPA reminds me of the absentee slumlord--collecting money from the residents of a bunch of ratty properties. :laugh:

TC

That is funny. Depressing as hell, but funny.

 

[stlflyguy]

For example....

"It is hard to overstate the near-total emasculation of ALPA's bargaining posture that such comments from the ALPA National president would have created. ALPA is perhaps the most centralized union in the airline industry. Unlike AMFA, the IAM, or the IBT, there are no local unions. Virtually all political and financial power resides within the National structure. For President Woerth to communicate to APA that he did not support the TWA pilots' bargaining posture was to cut them off at the knees. In my view, the comments would be worse in their impact than an attorney communicating to the counsel of his client's adversary that he placed no store in his own client's position."

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Are the Titans going to "loose" two in a row this weekend?

Guess you didn't get to see the jail-sexing they layed on the Lions yesterday then...

 

[Cookie Monster]

"It is hard to overstate the near-total emasculation of ALPA's bargaining posture that such comments from the ALPA National president would have created. ALPA is perhaps the most centralized union in the airline industry. Unlike AMFA, the IAM, or the IBT, there are no local unions. Virtually all political and financial power resides within the National structure. For President Woerth to communicate to APA that he did not support the TWA pilots' bargaining posture was to cut them off at the knees. In my view, the comments would be worse in their impact than an attorney communicating to the counsel of his client's adversary that he placed no store in his own client's position."

Yeah, because AA/TWA was a "merger" right? And TWA would have lasted as a stand alone carrier, right?

You should be happy you got anything at all.

 

[stlflyguy]

Yeah, because AA/TWA was a "merger" right? And TWA would have lasted as a stand alone carrier, right?

You should be happy you got anything at all.

Says the children's stuffed animal with a hand up his a$$.

stlflyguy

 

[General Lee]

Mention the words seniority integration and the Delta boys will always say, "remember how that went at USAIR." It's gotten to be so predictable that's it's now a little game I play. Kinda like teasing Pavlov's dog. The NW guys love it.

Ok here goes... "Date of Hire."

any time now, that train's never late......

Not exactly, we relay on more than just the last Nicolau award....take a read:


The NWA Committee places great stock in the fact that NWA’s integration with
Republic, and the prior Republic integrations (North Central/Southern, Republic/Hughes
Airwest) were all accomplished using Date of Hire or Date of Hire adjusted for length of
service, and that that is so because Date of Hire is a “bedrock” principle of seniority
integration. T. 2047 (Averill). However, that history demonstrates nothing, because at
all relevant times, as the attached chart shows, ALPA Merger Policy favored Date of
Hire.36 ALPA amended its Merger Policy in 1991 and deleted any reference to Date of
Hire. Since then, there have been three arbitrated seniority integration awards – US
Airways and Shuttle (Nicolau, 1988), Atlas and Polar (Harris, 2006) and America West
and US Airways (Nicolau, 2007). In each of these cases, one or the other of the parties
proposed a list based in whole or in part on Date of Hire – the US Airways pilots in the
Shuttle and America West cases and the Atlas pilots in Atlas and Polar. In each of these
cases, the list was constructed on a ratio basis, with the arbitrator either rejecting Date of
Hire outright (America West and Atlas) or the proponent withdrawing it (Shuttle).
Indeed, the last Date of Hire list awarded by an arbitrator under ALPA Merger
Policy was the list created by Arbitrator Roberts in Northwest and Republic 20 years ago.
And no matter how the “success” of that award is trumpeted by the NWA pilots, that
revisionist view is not consistent with the facts. First, the list prompted 20 years of
efforts to undo its effects, resulting in 24 post-award arbitrations.


When was the last DOH award? PDT and ALG? I bet your own lawyer used that same case during his last case, fighting for USAir East.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Pogue Mahone]

When an airline(s) decide to furlough pilots, how do they determine which pilots loose their jobs?

They have a spelling contest.

 

[aa73]

Anyone who flew with a TWA uniform has my respect.

Ditto, they were (are) a class act. We at AA could learn a lot from their culture...

 

[fischman]

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[Captzaahlie]

They have a spelling contest.

A SPELLING CONTEST!!!!!!!!!!

I'll be the first to go.....

oh wait a minute i'm already gone.