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Well, the bottom guy at United will be 10 years. Not to long ago that 1998 United hire was a lot more senior. I know CAL pilots that went from being furloughed to Captain in less then 2 years. Taking a snap shot does not take into consideration the dynamics of this industry. Looking at a furloughed CAL or DAL pilot a few years ago and looking at his position now shows how fast things change. A snap shot of DAL and CAL a few years ago would be completly different.
Try merging a Virgin America Capt. with a United Capt and tell the United 1995 pilot that he will be junior to all Virgin Capt. hired last year with no restrictions. I would love to see how those United pilots would react.

M
 
And don't forget the follow up: If a pilot at the TOP of an airline's seniority list has has been there for 15 years is he junior or senior?
 
If two companies merge, don't they in essence form a new company, and hence, can the employees of the old companies claim their old seniority with the new company or do they have to workout a new seniority?

If one company buys another, wouldn't the employees of the old company not be new employees of the buying company?

In the extreme (mind you it would never happen) but if Jet blue buys United, wouldn't the united employees be new hires at jet blue?

Just curious
 
Spin and propaganda from the East. Sure hope you gave that detailed Law Encyclopedia definition to your East MEC when they argued the East position in front of the arbitrator in the Fall of 2007. Mmmm, let's see, that's already decided. Who cares how you feel as an individual – the agreed to “binding arbitration” is over. See you in court. Out West, Integrity matters.

Here's a closing thought for you. Legal Briefs were filed in North Carolina this week and USAPA is arguing to have the injunction preventing the West furloughs thrown out of court. IE, USAPA and the company, have the same position … trying to prevent the WEST from stopping the "out of order" furloughs ... Your Union and the company acting together to permit the furloughs of the West Pilots. Man your UNION is a piece of work.
 
maybe this should be forwarded to nicolau(not sure if that's spelled right, but you know who i mean), i'm sure he didn't understand the difference. silly him, he must have been a junior arbitrator at the firm.
 
Actually no, if you spent 15+ years at a stagnant airline, then you would have no seniority, in the case of the east, you could have been out on the street for a while.

Sorry, MCDU, most of us, read anyone not a East USAPA member, think your argument is similar to that which comes out the rear end of a bull at certain times.
 
USAPA v Common Sense, 431 U.S. 398, 54 (2008).

The court decides that the aforementioned definition of seniority will only apply to "East" pilots, as they will remain employed while "West" pilots with more previously stated definition of "Seniority" are furloughed.

West is being furloughed out of seniority because they're dragging out the DOH list. If it was honored the most junior would have been gone in proper order.
 
all of these factors were presented-- you got the top 500 slots, then ratio'd in at almost 2 for 1 on down the list.
How that's not considered fair in this situation is unbelievable.
 
West is being furloughed out of seniority because they're dragging out the DOH list. If it was honored the most junior would have been gone in proper order.

NO. West is furloughing out of seniority because "someone" is failing to follow the Transition Agreement. "Someone else" is failing to fight for the west pilots that are senior to the "third list" pilots.

If my new "union" had integrity and/or those east pilots that voted for USAPA we would have:
1. A new contract.
2. Implementation of the new seniority list that is a product of final and binding arbitration.
3. PSA'ers spending NO overnights in PHL, and more time with their families.
4. East pilots with an additional $60K or so annually, more vacation time, 100% mechanical, 100% deadhead (your flight attendants even get 100% DH & Mech., right??), and better QOL.




 

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