Seniority has everything to do with longevity

[PHXFLYR]

Yes it is. Just not to your satisfaction.



PHXFLYR

 

[TWA Dude]

Non-trick question:

If pilots are in a union is seniority defined?

Of course it is. Seniority at US Airways was defined. Seniority at America West was defined. Problem is, at the NEW company formed by the merger of those two companies seniority was NOT defined. That's why an arbitrator had to decide instead of the "tyranny of the majority".

 

[TWA Dude]

West is being furloughed out of seniority because they're dragging out the DOH list. If it was honored the most junior would have been gone in proper order.

Interesting logic. By the same token, the East is dragging out your pay raises since we could've had a combined contract a year ago when the company was profitable. You made your choice because you thought you would benefit from it. We made our choice because it's the right thing to do.

 

[ALGFLYR]

.... 100% mechanical, 100% deadhead (your flight attendants even get 100% DH & Mech., right??)

This part is not true. East F/A's only get 50% DH credit. There is not pay protection for CX flights, mechanical or otherwise, unless it's the last trip of the month...

 

[weasel_lips]

NO. West is furloughing out of seniority because "someone" is failing to follow the Transition Agreement.

Apparently the company's legal counsel seems to think otherwise.

 

[recallsomeday]

How about sitting currently at 10% up the list then going to 5% on the list as proposed?

all of these factors were presented-- you got the top 500 slots, then ratio'd in at almost 2 for 1 on down the list.
How that's not considered fair in this situation is unbelievable.

 

[m80drvr]

Apparently the company's legal counsel seems to think otherwise.

Doug Parker thinks you are over paid......so it must be true.

Charles Manson says he didn't participate in the murder of Sharon Tate....so it must be true.

Hemingway thinks UCRAPA broke their own rules and won't fire West pilots.....So it must be true.

Many people say they have seen the Loch Ness Monster........so it must be true.

UCRAPA says it is working for ALL 5000 USAirways pilots.....so it must be ture.

Many people say 911 was planned by our government....so it must be true.

OJ's lawyers said he didn't do it....so it must be true.

UCRAPS says DOH will benefit ALL pilots.....so it must be true.

Ect.....ect.....ect......

Enough said


Come on MCDOOOOOSh....or Weasel a$$....give us one of your witty replies.

Oh yeah.... my nephew still believes in Santa Clause......SO IT MUST BE TRUE

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Thanks DOPE.
Yeah, I still miss does PFT days at GIA. To bad you washed out. We had a lot of fun in FLL. At least you got on with Tab Airlines in Deland. You finally made the big leagues flying the mighty B 1900.

Congrats Dope. Way to go.

M

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I actually laughed at that one!
Thanks for the laugh MCdoosh!

 

[FDJ2]

Non-trick question:

If pilots are in a union is seniority defined?

Non trick question: What was your date of hire at LCC?

Another non trick question: How does ALPA integrate seniority lists?

Another non-trick question: Did AAA have in it's membership ratified PWA, that in the event of a merger with another ALPA pilot group seniority issues would be resolved through ALPA merger policy?

Last non trick question: Did ALPA merger policy include "final and binding" arbitration?

 

[Deadalus]

Look MCDUffus, how many times do we have to tell you. It doesn't apply to mergers, because it's not considered fair. The example you gave us is the same as a new hire to an airline, which has nothing to do with MERGING or AQUIRING airlines. Would banging your head against something solid help you think any better? If so can I suggest a brick wall.

 

[MCDU]

DOH does not apply to mergers?
Most mergers have always been DOH and about every regional has merged based on DOH. BEX and Eagle, Piedmont and Allegheny, Air Wisconsin and MAX. The list goes on. All mergers with DOH work out. PSA US AIR, US AIR Piedmont, Republic and NWA etc. DOH mergers with conditions and protections far outway this crazy concept of relative seniority. Delta now even wants to take it a step further and use size of planes to further dilute your seniority. Alpa merger policy is a disaster. Kind of like when ALPA carriers started allowing jets to be outsourced. ALPA and many pilots do not see the big picture. Its all about me and how I can leapfrog my fellow Union pilot.

M

 

[m80drvr]

DOH does not apply to mergers?
Most mergers have always been DOH and about every regional has merged based on DOH. BEX and Eagle, Piedmont and Allegheny, Air Wisconsin and MAX. The list goes on. All mergers with DOH work out. PSA US AIR, US AIR Piedmont, Republic and NWA etc. DOH mergers with conditions and protections far outway this crazy concept of relative seniority. Delta now even wants to take it a step further and use size of planes to further dilute your seniority. Alpa merger policy is a disaster. Kind of like when ALPA carriers started allowing jets to be outsourced. ALPA and many pilots do not see the big picture. Its all about me and how I can leapfrog my fellow Union pilot.


M

You got that right MCDOOSSSHH

It's all about unemployed pilots jumping ahead of pilots that brought a job the the merger. You are smarter than I though.

 

[MCDU]

What jobs? The ones the West are losing. Your jobs are are like fake money. Worthless.
AWA would be gone by now without USAIR. Your unemloyed pilots have no right to our flying. Min. Fleet and min. Block hours. Thats what we brought and that is what our pilots get. You have no right to displace our pilots with your lousy job. LAS and PHX is what you get.

Your jobs at the time of merger were going away, because you bases bring no value to the airline. Low yield markets and low yield jobs. We saw this coming.
Thats why we were never going to allow a Nic award to see the day. It does not protect our jobs.

M

 

[Metrojet]

Spin and propaganda from the East. Sure hope you gave that detailed Law Encyclopedia definition to your East MEC when they argued the East position in front of the arbitrator in the Fall of 2007. Mmmm, let's see, that's already decided. Who cares how you feel as an individual – the agreed to “binding arbitration” is over. See you in court. Out West, Integrity matters.

Here's a closing thought for you. Legal Briefs were filed in North Carolina this week and USAPA is arguing to have the injunction preventing the West furloughs thrown out of court. IE, USAPA and the company, have the same position … trying to prevent the WEST from stopping the "out of order" furloughs ... Your Union and the company acting together to permit the furloughs of the West Pilots. Man your UNION is a piece of work.

MK82 -

not to re-hash, but there are seperate contracts under which "two pilot groups" operate (and of course I do not want to see anybody EAST or WEST on the street).

ON a different issue, but same path - why is it OK that a 12 year Captain at the WEST, makes more than a 12 year Captain at the EAST - based on your thinking - I would assume that you feel that is legally wrong also?? And please don't take the question as an attack on your view.

Metrojet

 

[imacdog]

Getting a little too much sun exposure out in Charlotte?

 

[becket]

Your jobs at the time of merger were going away, because you bases bring no value to the airline. Low yield markets and low yield jobs. We saw this coming.
Thats why we were never going to allow a Nic award to see the day. It does not protect our jobs.

M

LOW YIELD JOBS????!!! Coming from an EAST GUY???

You work for Mesa wages! You, your commuter airline, and your commuter airline contract are the laughing stock of this industry worldwide.

You're not in a position to "allow" anything to happen. When have you ever been able to "allow" what you like? Was it during the multiple massive paycuts? How about during the forfeiture of your pension? When ''negotiating" LOA 93 and the mind splitting concessions therein?

Did you allow the First run through bankruptcy or the SECOND?

You're in charge of deciding how hard to kick your dog when you get home from another crappy Utica overnight...that's all.

 

[MCDU]

There you are. I knew that post would get you to write something.

Thanks
becket u the man

M

 

[MCDU]

LOW YIELD JOBS????!!! Coming from an EAST GUY???

You work for Mesa wages! You, your commuter airline, and your commuter airline contract are the laughing stock of this industry worldwide.

You're not in a position to "allow" anything to happen. When have you ever been able to "allow" what you like? Was it during the multiple massive paycuts? How about during the forfeiture of your pension? When ''negotiating" LOA 93 and the mind splitting concessions therein?

Did you allow the First run through bankruptcy or the SECOND?

You're in charge of deciding how hard to kick your dog when you get home from another crappy Utica overnight...that's all.

becket,
You are stuttering. Check BP ASAP.

M

 

[becket]

becket,
You are stuttering. Check BP ASAP.

M

Laughing hysterically and stuttering can look similar on your monitor. It's the former. BP checks normal.

 

[reepicheep]

DOH does not apply to mergers?
Most mergers have always been DOH

Most mergers don't involve airlines with 17-year pilots on the street.