Pilots at Airtran pick up open time???

[PCL_128]

Why shouldn't the senior guys still be able to fly as much as they want? Everybody always talks about the benefits of seniority but why should a senior pilot suffer? Its not his fault you got hired after he did.

Absolutely despicable.

 

[Captain Overs]

Its been that way since the beginning of time. The sooner people realize the way the world works then they'll be a lot happier. I stopped getting upset at things I knew would happen.

If you want charity and goodwill, find a church who donates to the needy.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

The companies know what they need to furlough to reduce costs to an acceptable level. I don't see picking up open time as keeping you on the street. Those trips are going to be flown no matter what.

Why shouldn't the senior guys still be able to fly as much as they want? Everybody always talks about the benefits of seniority but why should a senior pilot suffer? Its not his fault you got hired after he did.

There ya go. This is why I don't see the tranny ever getting a descent contract or being a good place to work. I fear the minority of pilots over there will lose out to the selfish cowed majority. Good luck guys, this is the attitude you are going to be fighting FROM WITHIN YOUR RANKS. And the funny thing is that this comment is basically "Why should I strike, I like my pay and want to keep working so I am going to cross the line, screw you guys."

 

[maxblast72]

I am sitting around the house on reserve not being used for the 4th day this month, so I cranked some numbers out (on the Captain side) for what Airtran could have down instead of furloughing/downgrading using the numbers out of the bid packs from August and September.

Total block hours for September for B717 were 23,533 and B737 were 14,797. Total Captain bid lines for August for the B717 were 463 and for the B737 were 333.

The company could of transitioned 20 B737 Captains over to the B717 (due to a larger block hour reduction on the 737 I am assuming due to the sale of a few 737s) and not downgraded anyone if they would have built the following bid pack:

B717:

369 hard lines (built with 62 avg block hour)
14 CDO lines
40 Build-ups
60 Reserves

B737:

235 hard lines (built with 62 avg block hours)
4 CDO line
24 Buildup lines
50 Reserve Lines

If they would have built the bid pack in this fashion, we would had 796 Captains in both August and September. Obviously the avg block hours per hard line would have reduced from the mid 80s to 62 hours for September. The block hours for Nov/Dec would come back up close to 70 (10% increase) as monthly block flying increased for the holidays.

So the question is? Make everyone feel a little pain or make 10% of the group feel alot of pain.

 

[Captain Overs]

There ya go. This is why I don't see the tranny ever getting a descent contract or being a good place to work. I fear the minority of pilots over there will lose out to the selfish cowed majority. Good luck guys, this is the attitude you are going to be fighting FROM WITHIN YOUR RANKS. And the funny thing is that this comment is basically "Why should I strike, I like my pay and want to keep working so I am going to cross the line, screw you guys."

Take your emotion out of the argument. What I'm talking about is different from striking. I'm all for supporting brothers during a strike. I wouldn't cross a picket line.

I don't know of many, if any, companies that require all the employees to take a pay cut so they don't layoff workers. It happens, I'm sure, but not the norm. This is a different scenario and we all know it sucks for the bottom man on the totem pole.

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Take your emotion out of the argument. What I'm talking about is different from striking. I'm all for supporting brothers during a strike. I wouldn't cross a picket line.

I don't know of many, if any, companies that require all the employees to take a pay cut so they don't layoff workers. It happens, I'm sure, but not the norm. This is a different scenario and we all know it sucks for the bottom man on the totem pole.

I can assume that, if you are at FL, you voted for TA2. You sound very much like a self-centered ass I flew with while it was on the table for voting.

 

[rajflyboy]

If I was at Air Tran and still had a job I'd be happy as hell.

Air Tran is pretty fortunate.

You Guys have a Sleeping Giant based at the same airport that for years has let you Operate any way you want to.

You Wouldn't have the same Luck in Dallas or Denver. The Giant would have already crushed you in those Cities years ago.

I'd be sending A Retainer to Delta Management thanking them for My Job !!!

 

[Lear70]

If I was at Air Tran and still had a job I'd be happy as hell.

Air Tran is pretty fortunate.

You Guys have a Sleeping Giant based at the same airport that for years has let you Operate any way you want to.

You Wouldn't have the same Luck in Dallas or Denver. The Giant would have already crushed you in those Cities years ago.

I'd be sending A Retainer to Delta Management thanking them for My Job !!!

Someone needs a history lesson...

Here's a hint: The "Giant" can't compete on a CASM basis on the same city pairings. They tried that, and ended up in Ch. 11 Bankruptcy.

 

[jetdawg]

statement

remember the idiotic statement giving by captain "whatever", he did not say he was at airtran me thinks he wants to stir the pot and watch all you attack.

 

[rajflyboy]

Someone needs a history lesson...

Here's a hint: The "Giant" can't compete on a CASM basis on the same city pairings. They tried that, and ended up in Ch. 11 Bankruptcy.

Delta could run flights at a cheaper rate than you on your most profitable routes. They could do it easily if they wanted too. They have had their chances over the years but did not go for it.

How long would it take? 3 Months? 4 Months? Thats it. Take a loss for a couple of months. Its been done before and it will be happen again. Its called BUSINESS.

Delta could afford that to drop a competitor if they wanted too.