Pilots at Airtran pick up open time???

[rajflyboy]

The number of EAL scabs here is no more than 1% of the total pilot group. How many still remain at CAL? How about at UAL?

The problem is not the 1% of scabs. Their silent minority no longer influences anyone since they find themselves vastly outnumbered.

The problem is the attitude of fear, complacency, and selfishness that their presence here over the years has fostered. That cancer is going to require major surgery to rectify.

Fortunately for us, we have a lot of very good doctors here. Just give them a scalpal and let them get to work.

Is there a hidden meaning in this? You bet there is.

Worst thing is most of em are in the training Department. They control the checkride! Pink Slips. You guys need to get them out soon!

 

[gearup5]

i dropped 18 hours this month. I think 88 hours with guys on the street is way to much.

 

[newnan]

Agree completely, gearup5. Much over guarantee with 169 on the street tells Mgmt that you support them 100% and will be happy to pick up the slack.

Personally dropped two 4-days and picked up a two day (net loss of 32 hours) on the 28th of Aug. at noon for the Sept. bid. I'm not going to benefit financially on the backs of the 169 furloughed.

 

[Captain Jeff]

I am at 60 hours for the month. Not so much to support the furloughed guys as this place sucks....

 

[Jetpipeovht]

Worst thing is most of em are in the training Department. They control the checkride! Pink Slips. You guys need to get them out soon!

Too bad they are like Herpes. You will never get rid of them. SCAB-F*CKERS!

 

[ron burgundy]

Burgundy...What's this about being a "Registered User" I see under so many peoples names here? What is it we are supposed to be using?

Is that like a "Registered Offender" or what?

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I say "deport pedro", just my opinion. However, I have purchased several of your shirts from the website and I gotta say..quality shirts (for a t-shirt).

As far as user/offender, I can neither confirm nor deny any of the said allegations. I just do what I do man. That's how I roll!

 

[rajflyboy]

Too bad they are like Herpes. You will never get rid of them. SCAB-F*CKERS!

Thats Hilarious!!!

The Pilots could do a lot of things to push them out if they had the Balls to do it. But... I think they are too worried about "Pink Slips"

 

[maxblast72]

Personally dropped two 4-days and picked up a two day (net loss of 32 hours) on the 28th of Aug. at noon for the Sept. bid. I'm not going to benefit financially on the backs of the 169 furloughed.

Management is glad you are doing this as it helps reduce costs. By you dropping these trips, they don't have to pay you for going over 70 and instead they can preassign these trips to reserves who weren't going to credit over 70 hours this month anyway.

We already had the arguement on the NPA forum about everyone flying 60-65 hours and keeping everyone on the property (like Jetblue is doing). Mike Best said it would bankrupt half our pilots so he wasn't in support of it. Thus management built the lines to a normal LVI value for September creating a crapload of reserve pilots.

 

[Captain Overs]

The companies know what they need to furlough to reduce costs to an acceptable level. I don't see picking up open time as keeping you on the street. Those trips are going to be flown no matter what.

Why shouldn't the senior guys still be able to fly as much as they want? Everybody always talks about the benefits of seniority but why should a senior pilot suffer? Its not his fault you got hired after he did.

 

[Old Crow]

That's what's wrong with the whole world, it's everyone for himself regardless of how it affects others.

 

[PCL_128]

Why shouldn't the senior guys still be able to fly as much as they want? Everybody always talks about the benefits of seniority but why should a senior pilot suffer? Its not his fault you got hired after he did.

Absolutely despicable.

 

[Captain Overs]

Its been that way since the beginning of time. The sooner people realize the way the world works then they'll be a lot happier. I stopped getting upset at things I knew would happen.

If you want charity and goodwill, find a church who donates to the needy.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

The companies know what they need to furlough to reduce costs to an acceptable level. I don't see picking up open time as keeping you on the street. Those trips are going to be flown no matter what.

Why shouldn't the senior guys still be able to fly as much as they want? Everybody always talks about the benefits of seniority but why should a senior pilot suffer? Its not his fault you got hired after he did.

There ya go. This is why I don't see the tranny ever getting a descent contract or being a good place to work. I fear the minority of pilots over there will lose out to the selfish cowed majority. Good luck guys, this is the attitude you are going to be fighting FROM WITHIN YOUR RANKS. And the funny thing is that this comment is basically "Why should I strike, I like my pay and want to keep working so I am going to cross the line, screw you guys."

 

[maxblast72]

I am sitting around the house on reserve not being used for the 4th day this month, so I cranked some numbers out (on the Captain side) for what Airtran could have down instead of furloughing/downgrading using the numbers out of the bid packs from August and September.

Total block hours for September for B717 were 23,533 and B737 were 14,797. Total Captain bid lines for August for the B717 were 463 and for the B737 were 333.

The company could of transitioned 20 B737 Captains over to the B717 (due to a larger block hour reduction on the 737 I am assuming due to the sale of a few 737s) and not downgraded anyone if they would have built the following bid pack:

B717:

369 hard lines (built with 62 avg block hour)
14 CDO lines
40 Build-ups
60 Reserves

B737:

235 hard lines (built with 62 avg block hours)
4 CDO line
24 Buildup lines
50 Reserve Lines

If they would have built the bid pack in this fashion, we would had 796 Captains in both August and September. Obviously the avg block hours per hard line would have reduced from the mid 80s to 62 hours for September. The block hours for Nov/Dec would come back up close to 70 (10% increase) as monthly block flying increased for the holidays.

So the question is? Make everyone feel a little pain or make 10% of the group feel alot of pain.

 

[Captain Overs]

There ya go. This is why I don't see the tranny ever getting a descent contract or being a good place to work. I fear the minority of pilots over there will lose out to the selfish cowed majority. Good luck guys, this is the attitude you are going to be fighting FROM WITHIN YOUR RANKS. And the funny thing is that this comment is basically "Why should I strike, I like my pay and want to keep working so I am going to cross the line, screw you guys."

Take your emotion out of the argument. What I'm talking about is different from striking. I'm all for supporting brothers during a strike. I wouldn't cross a picket line.

I don't know of many, if any, companies that require all the employees to take a pay cut so they don't layoff workers. It happens, I'm sure, but not the norm. This is a different scenario and we all know it sucks for the bottom man on the totem pole.