Alaska management verbally announces furloughs for

[igneousy2]

Those VSA guys were whining about being harassed before...imagine when we got guys on the street. Can't believe we still have clowns doing this.

Later

 

[Bringupthebird]

Maybe if you hear it one more time it will sink in.

There is nothing greedy or self-absorbed about wanting the EXACT SAME career advancement opportunities that you have enjoyed. Nothing more, nothing less. Just the same. Equality is the opposite of greed.
Greed and self absorption lie in taking the EXACT SAME opportunities you've enjoyed from your children for your own personal gain.

Defending your own self-absorption by throwing a guilt trip on the guy that's going to lose his house so you can buy more Viagra is what is indefensible here.

I do wish you the best of luck in your apparent dream of dying at work, though.

I am facing a 40% pay cut in the next 3 months and I expect it to last for at least the next 5 -7 years best case scenario. The guys staying until the legal retirement age didn't cause that I don't expect them to share in my pain. Age 65 is right based on its own merits, regardless of how it affects me today.

I wish you better luck in interpreting dreams.

 

[dashtrash]

I am facing a 40% pay cut in the next 3 months and I expect it to last for at least the next 5 -7 years.

POOR YOU! Only 100k per year. 120 with VSA? Those on the street should start a collection to help you out. How are you going to feed your family?

 

[turbodriver]

I am facing a 40% pay cut in the next 3 months and I expect it to last for at least the next 5 -7 years best case scenario. The guys staying until the legal retirement age didn't cause that I don't expect them to share in my pain. Age 65 is right based on its own merits, regardless of how it affects me today.

I wish you better luck in interpreting dreams.

I'm facing a 100% pay cut.

cry me a river......

 

[Fubijaakr]

Just a couple thoughts.

1. ETOPS qualification is two days of ground school and a line check.
2. Any furlough will be accompanied by a reduction bid.
3. Any furlough will be preceded by an official furlough notice with a 30 day lead time.

Given these facts, there is plenty of time to post and award a reduction bid, train the awardees in ETOPS procedures, bid advance them up to ANC. Therefore, the Hawaii flying should not be effected.

So, that's a red herring. The MD guys choking the schoolhouse? True, but ETOPS only requires a classroom and a ground instructor. So that's another red herring.

Can they furlough 165 pilots? Sure. Will they? That remains to be seen. CAL threatened to furlough 500 and that's down to 180. Colgan threatened to furlough 80 pilots now they're hiring a class.

Threats of furlough and furloughs are two different things. The last time AS threatened to furlough, they extended it month by month for 3 months then cancelled the furlough. No one spent one day on the street. Remember, the contract also specifies furlough pay. You KNOW they don't want to pay that.

 

[Green Banana]

Remember, the contract also specifies furlough pay. You KNOW they don't want to pay that.

Furlough pay only works if you have 2 years with AS. This leaves only about 30 of the 165 protected. Even with that, furlough pay is 1 month pay! What are you going to do with that?

 

[Bringupthebird]

POOR YOU! Only 100k per year. 120 with VSA? Those on the street should start a collection to help you out. How are you going to feed your family?

I don't know what VSA stands for, but I'll be displaced this round, maybe furloughed the next. The point is that none of this was caused by people senior to me and I don't look for them to make sacrifices just to make it easier on me.

If you're looking for a handout instead of getting on with your life, you're wasting your time.

 

[BORAT]

Divide and conquer is a play out of Lorenzo's playbook and Ayer is learning (or has learned) how to behave like Dirty Frank...

 

[Mookie]

I don't know what VSA stands for, but I'll be displaced this round, maybe furloughed the next. The point is that none of this was caused by people senior to me and I don't look for them to make sacrifices just to make it easier on me.

If you're looking for a handout instead of getting on with your life, you're wasting your time.

I think though the senior guys understand the "tit for tat" aspect of the Jr guys voting in the future, and realize they don't want to screw us right now. well...at least the smarts ones that i've flown w/ have said this.

this is all a bull******************** ruse. I still think we're going to be hiring by June. this is going to be very very interesting.

Mookie

 

[becket]

I don't know what VSA stands for, but I'll be displaced this round, maybe furloughed the next. The point is that none of this was caused by people senior to me and I don't look for them to make sacrifices just to make it easier on me.

If you're looking for a handout instead of getting on with your life, you're wasting your time.

Pathetic sentiment.

 

[Baze]

this is all a bull******************** ruse. I still think we're going to be hiring by June. this is going to be very very interesting.

Mookie,

I hope you're right. But, this management team has show that they are arrogant and stubborn. They will waste a lot of $$$$ just to make a point.

I'm just going to assume that I'll be gone come late December / early January. I'm planning accordingly.

 

[regionaltard]

I don't know what VSA stands for, but I'll be displaced this round, maybe furloughed the next. The point is that none of this was caused by people senior to me and I don't look for them to make sacrifices just to make it easier on me.

If you're looking for a handout instead of getting on with your life, you're wasting your time.

Pathetic sentiment.

I'll take one of him over ten of you 7 days a week. Why don't you Google "external locus of control" and tell me what you think?

 

[Ocity]

I'll take one of him over ten of you 7 days a week. Why don't you Google "external locus of control" and tell me what you think?

In the end, I believe the locus of control is internal. I done learned me that in college. However, that in no way dilutes the power of true unionism and the fight for the greater good. Any Alaska pilot hired after 1980 has had a smooth journey, (relative to the industry). Now, for the first time, it seems that a little sacrifice may be in order and the "you made your bed" crowd not only rears it's ugly head, it's defended.

Google "Labor Union" and tell me what you think.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

No argument there.

I'll get over it the second you get over giving Scabs, PFT'ers, CEOs, Hulas, Gojets, (ex Waterski myself) and the rest a hard time.

They're all in the same boat as far as I'm concerned. I truly don't see how you can have such a problem jumping seniority and no problem whatsoever with helping yourself to another five years of it. But hey, it seems you've settled in as a lifer regional Captain and simply don't care because it isn't affecting you personally. Good for you, you got yours. Everyone else can suck it while you laugh. You sound just like Sanjay.

Life is indeed tough, and people screwing you is part of it. Letting those people tell themselves that they didn't screw you and pretending that it didn't matter just means that they turned you out.

You haven't read many of my posts have you. As an ex-waterskiier, and a hardcore union organizer I have railed on about all the above. The age 65 thing is in response to the outright theft of more than a few friends pensions by the thieves that call themselves airline execs. I would kick Hulas into last week with a 2X4 if I wouldn't get state time for A&B. I am so disgusted with the airline industry, I am actively seeking employment else where, to be quite honest airline pilots are the primary reason, the short sightedness and absolutely middle of the IQ range of the current crop of airline pilots coupled with a complete lack of testicular fortitude are the primary reason. You guys just don't get it, you have the potential to have the industry by the short and curlies, yet you collectively bend over and stick your azzes in the air and then complain when ALPA doesn't provide any "free" lube. I guess that is the difference between the "greatest generation" and their generation "X" counterparts, in short you all are a bunch of pussies and are getting exactly what you deserve. I will not be on this ride for much longer, but will return here often to throw rocks at the collection of losers who remain glued to their jizz encrusted yokes and seats "because they love to fly", enjoy your nifty little hats and suitcases with wheels, because those are the only things you will have in the near future. Wait till McPain and his cronies "open" up the USA skies to foreign carriers and put you on the street, but don't fret JO will have the China operation up and running and will offer you a deeply discounted job, because you "love to fly". Hope you like the "Beyongphu" domicile.
PBR
For you less than bright, the "teen hookers " analogy was a metaphor. But being smart college grads from ER and UND you knew that right?

 

[lowtimedriver]

CEO's, CFO's, COO's - Ruining careers and companies for their own glory and personal profit. I have a few ideas what I would like to do with these guys. Overpaid business majors who belong to the good old boy network.