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You refuse to pay dues, yet you demand a payout?

This is why you have NO credibility with the pilots at the rest of the majors. At least at my major. I have new hire friends put on both sides-- even the ones getting to stay a bit don't believe what's going on.

Drama.
 
As long as AL-SAPA is trying to steal our seniority it doesn't matter what else they may do for us. 161 AWA pilots are about to be furloughed who wouldn't be if we'd gotten a joint contract last year. I'm sure you understand.

I understand better than you want to admit. My condolences. Nothing is free.. except my condolences.
 
A Letter, THE FIRST Thing I Agree With That Usapa Has Done................



[FONT=Arial,sans-serif] A LETTER, THE FIRST THING I AGREE WITH, THAT USAPA HAS DONE................
IT WILL PROBABLY FALL ON DEAF EARS IN TEMPE!
GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!

Fellow Pilots,
The following letter was sent yesterday to CEO Doug Parker from USAPA President Steve Bradford:

US Airline Pilots Association
5821 Fairview Rd., Suite 400
Charlotte, NC 28209
[FONT=Arial,sans-serif]877-678-7272[/FONT]
August 19, 2008 Dear Mr. Parker, During the pre-pilot bid conference calls and meetings, USAPA was informed that the furloughs resulting from the upcoming East and West bids were due solely to industry hardships created by the cost of fuel. This was reiterated by you at the recent CLT Crew News Event this month, where you stated that furloughs were not associated with contract talks, but rather due to fuel costs. On June 12, relevant USAPA Committees had their first conference call with Management regarding the upcoming pilot bid driven by the announced furloughs. At that time the price of crude oil was $136.74/bbl and rising. On July 4, 2008, the price of crude oil hit $145.74/bbl and was still rising. Times are changing, and it now appears that the bubble has burst with oil prices predictably falling as oil speculators retreat with their profits. In addition, the US Dollar is now gaining strength in the international markets. As I write this the price of oil has dropped to under $113/bbl. It is also worth noting that US Airways has progressive competitors looking to gain market share as we furlough and retreat. So there we have it, oil off nearly 30%=2 0from its high and slipping, and a stronger US Dollar. On behalf of our pilots who are facing extreme financial hardship due to the pending furloughs, we must ask the question, “Since the furloughs are the result of rising fuel costs and the fuel costs are now retreating, has the Company considered canceling the furloughs and instead position itself to compete aggressively in the marketplace?” In addition to the human impact, there are other factors that support an end to the furloughs. The East has already started extensive and costly training for the October bid. There were 426 displacements just on East bid 08-04, which generated a total of 384 training events. The West Displacement Bid will also generate significant training events, leading cumulatively to enormous Pilot training costs for the Company. In addition, there is the question of timing, concerning when, if ever, the Company will realize cost savings from the furloughs given the consequent training events. We cannot predict where oil will go from here, however the current retreat in oil prices offers you a wonderful opportunity for bold leadership. Stop the furloughs, save the training costs, and compete aggressively in the market place. Your positive actions would also give a much needed boost to your professional employees who make US Airways Fly, and could help restore some sorely lac king confidence in Management. Finally, there is nothing that will preclude you from reinstating a future cutback should oil prices increase. Sincerely, Stephen Bradford
President, US Airline Pilots Association


























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Ok.....turtle21 has not answered the question.

Does anybody have any 411 on the info turtle says that the low life union asked for donations to help out a westy prior to the election?

I don't recall and don't believe anyone can recall where the A'wholes requested help for anybody on the west list.

If you have facts and recollections that I missed, please fill us all in.

The one sided association has selective memory and don't believe for one second they have ever asked for a donation or assessment for a westy in need.

Thanks for any info.

Capt.

USAPA relayed Morgan Perry's difficult ordeal to all pilots who read the website, which perhaps didn't include too many West of the Mississippi. They graciously referred to her dad as a USAir pilot.

http://www.morganperry.org/

The irony of the West rage is that it spurs them to spend so much time trying to prove USAPA doesn't exist, in name or deed. Some even spill out with emotional bursts of "We HATE you, and we don't believe you exist."

What do AWAPPA members and atheists have in common?
 
As long as AL-SAPA is trying to steal our seniority it doesn't matter what else they may do for us. 161 AWA pilots are about to be furloughed who wouldn't be if we'd gotten a joint contract last year. I'm sure you understand.

That's a pretty big IF.

Even with ALPA in charge is would be years before a joint contract came about.

So the result would be the same, no doubt about it.
 
USAPA relayed Morgan Perry's difficult ordeal to all pilots who read the website, which perhaps didn't include too many West of the Mississippi. They graciously referred to her dad as a USAir pilot.

http://www.morganperry.org/

The irony of the West rage is that it spurs them to spend so much time trying to prove USAPA doesn't exist, in name or deed. Some even spill out with emotional bursts of "We HATE you, and we don't believe you exist."

What do AWAPPA members and atheists have in common?

That was taken off the AWAPPA website to show the West that they had a mole and that they were being watched. It was a veiled threat. So, not surprisingly, it came to pass that USAPA subsequently sued individual pilots for web posts on the AWAPPA board.

Sorry. Not Altruistic in any sense of the word.

Sadly, this phony act of kindness was fueled by vindictiveness and hate. Mark King alone has enough of that for your whole group...and he's just one pathetic easthole.

Also there is nothing "gracious" about referring to her dad as a US Air pilot. He is. Fact. Period.

Your statement just provides another peak into the window of the East psyche. You guys think you're gods gift despite all the Bk's, contractual failures, concessions, losses, furloughs, and downgrades...all the while so proud of your almighty "yields" that have done nothing but "yield" your group the ranking of bottom feeder and habitual loser of the industry.

Truly a delusional bunch.
 
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Even with ALPA in charge is would be years before a joint contract came about. So the result would be the same, no doubt about it.
Last summer the airline was profitable and negotiations were progressing. There was momentum to get combined operations. DAL and NWA just proved a joint contract can be accomplished in short order. Therefore, your assumption is without merit.
 
That was taken off the AWAPPA website to show the West that they had a mole and that they were being watched. It was a veiled threat. So, not surprisingly, it came to pass that USAPA subsequently sued individual pilots for web posts on the AWAPPA board.

Sorry. Not Altruistic in any sense of the word.

Sadly, this phony act of kindness was fueled by vindictiveness and hate. Mark King alone has enough of that for your whole group...and he's just one pathetic easthole.

Also there is nothing "gracious" about referring to her dad as a US Air pilot. He is. Fact. Period.

Your statement just provides another peak into the window of the East psyche. You guys think you're gods gift despite all the Bk's, contractual failures, concessions, losses, furloughs, and downgrades...all the while so proud of your almighty "yields" that have done nothing but "yield" your group the ranking of bottom feeder and habitual loser of the industry.

Truly a delusional bunch.


http://www.1-800-therapist.com/
 
Last summer the airline was profitable and negotiations were progressing. There was momentum to get combined operations. DAL and NWA just proved a joint contract can be accomplished in short order. Therefore, your assumption is without merit.

George Nicolau.
 
George Nicolau.


Who's that? OOOOOOHHHHH, that's right. He's the guy YOU LIARS PICKED to arbitrate seniority!!! Now, (according to the East) he's just a senile old man.

Why the sudden change? Because the truth hurts and G.N. knew the truth.

And thus began the most embarrassing temper tantrum in trade unionism history aka USAPA.

Also, why the bold type of George Nicolau's name? Shouldn't it read, "ALPA"? USAPA insists that their campaign was all about getting rid of ALPA because of all their unjust failures at the expense of US Air pilots.

That wouldn't be another LIE would it?

Of course in their world everything was "ALPA's" fault. (never accepting the fact that they themselves were the ALPA boogey man).

I thought the removal of ALPA had nothing to do with the seniority list...that's what USAPA claims...(trying not to laugh).
 
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Who's that? OOOOOOHHHHH, that's right. He's the guy YOU LIARS PICKED to arbitrate seniority!!! Now, (according to the East) he's just a senile old man.

Why the sudden change? Because the truth hurts and G.N. knew the truth.

And thus began the most embarrassing temper tantrum in trade unionism history aka USAPA.

Yeah, and that federal judge doesn't know what he's doing either, throwing out that racketeering case. And neither does the FAA, approving that unsafe callsign. The list goes on and on too, basically involving anyone who doesn't see it the same way they do.

Think it would ever occur to those bozos that maybe, just maybe it is them who is cockeyed? Nah, of course not. What was I thinking?
 
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George Nicolau.
Glad you brought him up!
Here's Nicolau's CV:

DATE OF BIRTH: 2/14/25

EDUCATION: University of Michigan (B.A. Political Science, 1948),
ColumbiaUniversitySchool of Law (J.D. 1951)

OCCUPATION: Full-time arbitrator, mediator and attorney

UMPIRESHIPS: Industry Chairman, League of Voluntary Hospitals/1199
National Health & Human Services Employees Union (1993--); International
Ice Hockey Federation/National Hockey League (2000--); National
Basketball Association Agency Regulations (1986--); Impartial Member,
New York City Office of Collective Bargaining (1987- ); New York City
Transit Authority & Transit Supervisors Organization, TWU (1995--);
Mediation Chairman, Dispute Resolution Protocol, American Airlines/Allied
Pilots Association (1999--).
Chairman, Major League Baseball/Major League Baseball Players Ass’n.
(1986-1995); National Hockey League/NHL Players Ass’n. (1993-1996);
National Basketball Association & NBA Players Ass’n. (1979-1981); Major
Indoor Soccer League & MISL Players Ass’n. (1980- ); NBC & NABET,
(Washington 1976-87, New York & Chicago 1980-1987); ABC & NABET
(New York, Washington & Chicago 1980-1987); Tanker Service Committee
& District No. 4, NMU/MEBA (1991 -1998); Maritime Service Committee &
NMU/MEBA (1991 -1998); Tanker Service & Dry Cargo Service Committees
& MEBA-No. 1, PacificCoast Division (1999-2003); Local 144, SEIU &
Southern New York Health Care Facilities Ass’n. (1988-92).
PANELS: Alaska Airlines & ALPA/AFA/IAM/AMFA/TWU; Aloha Airlines &
ALPA/AFA; American Eagle Airlines & ALPA/AFA; Continental Airlines &
ALPA/IBT; Delta Airlines & ALPA; Northwest Airlines & ALPA; United
Airlines & ALPA/AFA; UPS & Independent Pilots Association; Actors Equity
Association & League of American Theatres & Producers/League of Off-
Broadway Theatres & Producers; Writers Guild/Directors Guild &
MMPA/ABC/CBS/NBC; SAG & MMPA; New York Times & Newspaper Guild
of New York; CSX & MEBA; UPS & IBT (National Panel); Verizon NY/ NJ/
PA/VA,WVA & CWA/IBEW; Bell South & CWA; AT&T & CWA; AT&T &
CWA/IBEW (Neutrality and Consent Election Agreement); City of New York
& PBA/Sergeants Benevolent Association; New York Shipping Association
& ILA; Independent Film & Television Alliance; UAL & AFA (Grievance
Mediation Panel—New York Domicile).
Former Panel Member: Pan Am World Airways & ALPA; Pan Am &
Independent Union of Flight Attendants; TWA & ALPA, TWA &
Independent Federation of Flight Attendants; CityUniversity of New York
& Professional Staff Congress.

PROFESSIONAL AFFILIATIONS: President, NationalAcademy of
Arbitrators (1996-97); President-Elect (1995-96), Vice President (1992-
94), Executive Committee (1988-89, 1992-94), Board of Governors (1986-
89); Member (1975-); Charter Member, International Society of
Professionals in Dispute Resolution (1973), Member, Board of Directors
(1984-87) and President (1987-88); Member, International Society for
Labor Law & Social Security (1980-), Executive Board, American Branch
(1995-); Vice Chairman, U.S. Branch & Member, International Executive
Committee (2000-); Board of Directors, College of Labor & Employment
Lawyers (2000-2006); Member, Association of the Bar of the City of New
York (1951-), Chairman, Committee on Labor & Employment Legislation
(1972-75); Member, ABA; Industrial Relations Research Association, and
Panels of AAA, FMCS, New York State PERB and New York City Office of
Collective Bargaining.

FORMER POSITIONS: Navigator, 8th Air Force (1944-45); Labor
Relations Attorney, Sheehan & Harold (1951-54)) and Cooper, Ostrin &
DeVarco (1954-63); Deputy Director, Special Projects, U. S. Peace Corps
(1963-65); Deputy Regional Director, U. S. Office of Economic
Opportunity (1965-66); Commissioner, New York City Community
Development Agency (1966-68); Executive Director, The Fund for the City
of New York (1968-70); Vice President & Executive Director, Institute for
Mediation & Conflict Resolution (1970-1980).

VISITING PROFESSORSHIPS; PepperdineLawSchool (1990, 1992, 1994)
& 1996); CardozoLawSchool (1991, 1993, 1994 & 1997); Cornell
UniversitySchool of Industrial & Labor Relations (1984- ).

(cont'd)
 
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Nicolau's CV, continued:

PUBLISHED WORKS: Community Disputes and the Resolution of Conflict:
Another View (with Gerald Cormack); (Arbitration Journal, Vol. 27, No. 2,
1972); Grievance Arbitration In A Prison: The Holton Experiment
(Resolution, Vol. 1, No. 3, 1975); Effective Advocacy In Arbitration, (NYU
38th National Conference on Labor, Matthew Bender & Co. 1985); Can
the Labor Arbitration Process Be Simplified? (Proceedings of the 39th
Annual Meeting, NationalAcademy of Arbitrators, BNA Books, Inc 1987);
The Qualifications Dilemma: the Pros and Cons of Setting Mediator
Qualifications (Fifth New York Conference on Dispute Resolution, NYS
Office of Court Administration 1988); Wait ‘Til Next Year: Musings of
Baseball’s Arbitrator, (NYU 42nd National Conference on Labor, Matthew
Bender & Co. 1989); Post-Discharge Conduct: A Look Back and A Look
Ahead (Proceedings of the 43rd Annual Meeting, NAA, BNA Books,
Inc.1990); Arbitral Response To The Troubled Employee (Paper presented
at the 15th Annual Collective Bargaining Conference of the FMCS and
the IRRA, Northwest Chapter, Seattle, Washington, 1991); After-Acquired
Evidence In Arbitration: Will McKennon v. Nashville Banner Make a
Difference?, (Arbitration Journal, Fall 1995). The Future of Labor
Arbitration, (Dispute Resolution Journal, April-Sept.,1996); The National
Academy of Arbitrators at Fifty, (Dispute Resolution Journal, April 1997);
Whatever Happened to Arbitral Finality: Is it Their Fault of Ours?, (CCH
Labor Law Journal, Vol. 48, No. 5, May 1997); Gilmer: Its Implications and
Ramifications for Employees, Employers & Practitioners, (University of
Pennsylvania Journal of Labor & Employment Law (Vol. 1, No. 1, Spring
1998); The Presidential Address: The Challenge and the Prize, Proceedings
of the 50th Annual Meeting, National Academy of Arbitrators, BNA
Books, Inc. 1998;O Functus Officio: Is It Time To Go?, Proceedings of the
51st Annual Meeting, NationalAcademy of Arbitrators, BNA Books,
Inc.,1999; Discipline In Sports, Hofstra Labor & Employment Law Journal
(Vol. 17, No. 1, Fall 1999); A Comparison of Union and Non-Union
Employee Protections in Ireland and the United States, New York
International Law Review, Winter 2001, Vol.14, No. 1 (2001);
Reminiscences, Proceedings of the 56thAnnual Meeting, National
Academy of Arbitrators, BNA Books, Inc. 2003;Implementing Remedies
and Retaining Jurisdiction: The United States Perspective, Proceedings of
the 57thAnnual Meeting, NationalAcademy of Arbitrators, BNA Books,
Inc. 2004); Is It Time for a National Unfair Dismissal Act? Proceedings of
the 59thAnnual Meeting, NationalAcademy of Arbitrators, BNA Books,
Inc. 2006. Recipient, Distinguished Service Award of the American Arbitration
Association (Arbitration Day, New York, NY, May 1987.
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Sooo ... what are your qualifications to integrate two pilot groups?
 
who gives a sh!t if you know the guy or not? He fu(ked up.... plain and simple.... and no I don't think ANYONE should donate to this irresponsible, negligent dou che....

Net
But you're not bitter or anything because this guy spent his career at one place. Pathetic.


You're Done.
 
But you're not bitter or anything because this guy spent his career at one place. Pathetic.


You're Done.

Did the guy completely disregard established procedures for the handling (in an airplane under his command) of an object designed for the purpose of killing other people? Simple yes or no please.
 
Glad you brought him up!
Here's Nicolau's CV:


I carry a copy of Nic's resume in my flight bag for jump-seaters, East and otherwise, who say they heard he was an incompetent old man.
 

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