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Using stereotypes to make your argument, when you claim to be the voice of reason is contradictory to respect you have been seeking by posting on this forum with such a user name. I simply pointed out that classifying all passengers as stereotypes, and inaccurate information was not credible. It does not matter where I work, if you have valid points outside of your own stereotypes, lets read them. If not you will soon be classified as another Tanker Clown.

I did not call you an idiot, or did I call you a jackaxx, a dipship, or point out that posting inaccurate information clearly makes you look foolish. I left that in your own words.

There happen to be a lot of truths in many stereotypes, and my comments are based on my experiences on an airline that is UNenjoyable to fly/ Love it all you want...you work there.
 

Pipe,
Get a life...SWA is hands down the preferred carrier for customer service. Good to see you can form such convincing arguements such as "idiot." Anyone wo would not suggest the leading US domestic carrier (LUV) to people traveling between 3 LUV cities could indeed be considered not too bright.
You are very bitter when it comes to the SWA pill...
 
Pipe,
Get a life...SWA is hands down the preferred carrier for customer service. Good to see you can form such convincing arguements such as "idiot." Anyone wo would not suggest the leading US domestic carrier (LUV) to people traveling between 3 LUV cities could indeed be considered not too bright.
You are very bitter when it comes to the SWA pill...

Then why is your load factor in the 70% range? Seems like if everyone wanted to fly SWA it would be higher. You see there are other airlines that people prefer for one reason or another. They are not "hands down the preferred carrier for customer service".
 
Point to point flying, which SWA primarily does, lends itself to not having as high a load factor as doing hub and spoke flying and not an indication of preference.

This is a well known fact that airline economists are well aware of. Hub and spoke creates more revenue but point to point creates lower costs.
 
For most peope who fly once or twice a year, SW may be the choice. But for many business travelers, the first class upgrade and the frequent flier miles and international destinations keep them flying with the legacies. However many business travelers with the means are switching to the fractionals.
 
You see there are other airlines that people prefer for one reason or another. They are not "hands down the preferred carrier for customer service".
When combined with JetBlue, they are the "hands down" preferred carrier for customer service. First of all, the seat pitch on both is 2-3 inches more than that of UAL/DAL/NW/CAL which are all 31". If 2" doesn't affect you, sorry for your short-ness. Secondly, the F/A service, across the board, is better at the LCCs. They are happier and more motivated to please the passengers.
 
For most peope who fly once or twice a year, SW may be the choice. But for many business travelers, the first class upgrade and the frequent flier miles and international destinations keep them flying with the legacies. However many business travelers with the means are switching to the fractionals.
BS-Most business travelers do not pay for F. They buy a Y ticket or some times a full Y. Their corporate travel flight departments determine who they can fly and rarely it's in F. Yes, the upgrade and FF miles are important, however, if you have been paying attention, frequent flyer miles have been devauled considerably the past 2 years. They are much harder to redeem and cost much more.
The people switching to fractionals are not the First Class AA/DAL/CAL customers-very few. Those switching are the cheap charter customers. As much as an American Airlines frequent first class flyer hates American F, he ain't gonna pony up $75K to fly RT from MIA-LAX when he is just OK with paying $1,500. Not in this economy.
 
Pipe,
Get a life...SWA is hands down the preferred carrier for customer service. Good to see you can form such convincing arguements such as "idiot." Anyone wo would not suggest the leading US domestic carrier (LUV) to people traveling between 3 LUV cities could indeed be considered not too bright.
You are very bitter when it comes to the SWA pill...

Easy there big shooter! I happen to have a 737 type and instruct in the 737 (airplane, not the sim). That's my part time gig.

I have not so much as requested an application from WN, nor do I care to. So this is not about me not getting hired at WN, it's not about any bitter pill. It's about a WN dude jumping on a thread about United (another place at which I do not work) and instead of addressing the topic, it goes immediately to "come fly WN, we're better, blah, blah, blah". Many of us neutral observers just get sick of listening to the Kool Aid belches.

Now, when I posed that I was tired, annoyed, in a hurry, etc. sooo..... I elected to summarize all of the above with: idiot.

Hope that clears it up a bit for you.

PIPE
 
Okay, there big shooter!

I see a thread discussing flight options between SEA, SNA, DEN and BDL...all places that SWA flies. Therefore the "Fly LUV." No we're better, blah, blah.

If I don't have time to reply with something of substance, I don't spout off with immature posts like "idiot."
 
Then why is your load factor in the 70% range? Seems like if everyone wanted to fly SWA it would be higher. You see there are other airlines that people prefer for one reason or another. They are not "hands down the preferred carrier for customer service".

contrail76, you 'truly' seem like someone who is thoroughly informed about 'business models' and 'load factors'.

Keep up your 'Customer Service' though! You seem to know more about that than the above terms.
 
I take Amtrack or Greyhound. depending on the length of the trip. In all seriousness, I prefer to fly SWA if possible. It's a more enjoyable experience, even if I have to make 2 or 3 stops and drive further to get to the airport.
 
BS-Most business travelers do not pay for F. They buy a Y ticket or some times a full Y. Their corporate travel flight departments determine who they can fly and rarely it's in F. Yes, the upgrade and FF miles are important, however, if you have been paying attention, frequent flyer miles have been devauled considerably the past 2 years. They are much harder to redeem and cost much more.
The people switching to fractionals are not the First Class AA/DAL/CAL customers-very few. Those switching are the cheap charter customers. As much as an American Airlines frequent first class flyer hates American F, he ain't gonna pony up $75K to fly RT from MIA-LAX when he is just OK with paying $1,500. Not in this economy.

The thing you have to realize is the only reason, and I mean the only reason SW is doing OK, is because of their fuel hedge. Period. Now I do give them credit for getting that hedge correct. We all thought they would be in trouble when their previous hedges expired. But they got it right again.
Don't underestimate the importance of that first class upgrade possibilty. It's very important to the business traveler. Now for the flip-flop crowd on SW, it doesn't matter. Jethro and Ellie May could care less. Although every now and then, we get to hear funny stories from FA's about Jethro in first not knowing what to do with the towel. Believe it or not, Jethro once tried to take a bite of the towel. Not kidding. They just don't offer towels on SW. How would Jethro know?
 
The thing you have to realize is the only reason, and I mean the only reason SW is doing OK, is because of their fuel hedge. Period. Now I do give them credit for getting that hedge correct. We all thought they would be in trouble when their previous hedges expired. But they got it right again.
Don't underestimate the importance of that first class upgrade possibilty. It's very important to the business traveler. Now for the flip-flop crowd on SW, it doesn't matter. Jethro and Ellie May could care less. Although every now and then, we get to hear funny stories from FA's about Jethro in first not knowing what to do with the towel. Believe it or not, Jethro once tried to take a bite of the towel. Not kidding. They just don't offer towels on SW. How would Jethro know?

Plenty has been said on this forum and the hedges and if anything is true, some will never understand what part the hedges play on an airlines business plan. As we all have learned trying to hash that out is useless.

Now for the reason to choose an airline because of first class is really over rated. I can speak for my family, friends, and business associates that the reason they choose an airline to frequent is because of service, price and possibly frequency. Where I live SWA has plenty of options to get where most people are going either non-stop or one stop. Thats not always the case in many markets that SWA does not serve of course. First class is really nice. But its not worth frequenting a product that has poor service to get an occasional first class seat. And my experience is that the airline business offers poor service. With the exception of SWA.

Here is a story. One stormy friday night in a very busy Chicago Midway airport the SWA flight ran four hours late. As I am waiting in the terminal I notice the entire departure screen were flights running very late. But not ONE cancellation. I was surprised because about a year earlier I was flying on AA and in Dallas they canceled my flight I was on and put me up in a hotel. I asked a pilot I was sitting next to if they might cancel flights because of the weather. And he said that they would only if they could accommodate the passengers on other flights but that would be probably only for a maintenance reason. Otherwise he said they run the flight, sometimes very late.

As a customer, this was a huge difference. I know there are a million stories out there that might be good reasons for this or that to happen. But its about customer perspective. And that was mine.

The fact in my large circle is that if SWA goes there, most people who fly frequently use them. If they don't go there, then one of the other airlines will be a choice.

When I talk airlines with people outside of the airline business, universally you hear how people love flying SWA. But I have never heard, not even one time, how anyone loves any other airline.
 
The thing you have to realize is the only reason, and I mean the only reason SW is doing OK, is because of their fuel hedge. Period. Now I do give them credit for getting that hedge correct. We all thought they would be in trouble when their previous hedges expired. But they got it right again.
Don't underestimate the importance of that first class upgrade possibilty. It's very important to the business traveler. Now for the flip-flop crowd on SW, it doesn't matter. Jethro and Ellie May could care less. Although every now and then, we get to hear funny stories from FA's about Jethro in first not knowing what to do with the towel. Believe it or not, Jethro once tried to take a bite of the towel. Not kidding. They just don't offer towels on SW. How would Jethro know?

I'm not even gonna bother. It wasn't even worth this many keystrokes. :rolleyes:
 

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