Heres Whats Happening At Nj Hiring...

[Just Peachy]

I know its tough out there so here is what just came up on our zippy new union board....

This is from one of our other pilots, so Im quoting him but not word for word, take it for what its worth.

He said he sat with 4 new hires going through indoc at the Thursday night dinner last week while in company recurrent. They had all interviewed in March or April. One guy got an interview in as little as 5 weeks. Someone else had waited 5 months. No idea what makes the difference.

At the management briefings that they had not interviewed anyone in about 6 weeks but were picking it up again next week.

Two more weeks of interviews would fill all classes for this year. Interviewing would continue in Sept for '09 class dates. Supposed to hire 450 this year. (We've only hired 175 in over half the year)

Thats all I know ( and it aint much)

 

[starcheckdriver]

There was a set of interviews 4 weeks ago, during the last week in June so what management said about it being 6 weeks ago is not entirely accurate.

 

[captain dad]

2006 - 383 hired
2007 - 229 hired
2008 - we have hired 190 through July 7, this year.

Flight Safety is the weak link from what I have heard. Quicker the training facility opens the better for everyone.

 

[Fly2AK]

Whats the possibility of them using CAE to help supplement and speed things up?

 

[flyingid]

well since they own flight safety i dont see that happening.

 

[skiandsurf]

well since they own flight safety i dont see that happening.

NJs does not own Flight Safety. But Berkshire Hathaway owns both of them.

 

[Diesel]

used to do the one ton at CAE.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Speaking of the new training center, and since we're all part of the same happy Berkshire Hathaway family, is the new training campus going to be a FlightSafety branded facility with FSI management and just an exclusively NJA clientele? Or will it be NJ from top-to-bottom including management, instructors, etc? That wasn't exactly clear from the info we've received and the subject came up at recurrent last week.

 

[theskyking]

I though it was being advertised as the world's largest Flight Safety. From that, I am guessing that it will be staffed and run by FS for NJ. But since that's my guess, I would bet on anything else.

 

[skiandsurf]

Speaking of the new training center, and since we're all part of the same happy Berkshire Hathaway family, is the new training campus going to be a FlightSafety branded facility with FSI management and just an exclusively NJA clientele? Or will it be NJ from top-to-bottom including management, instructors, etc? That wasn't exactly clear from the info we've received and the subject came up at recurrent last week.

I talked to one of the CMH FSI instructors, and he says that it will be staffed by FSI instructors. Didnt talk about other clientele using the facility.

 

[gutshotdraw]

From what I understood, only NJ crews would use the facility and any overflow requirements the company had could be covered at other facilities. The only question mark was branding on the front door and who the instructors and staff would actually be working for. Then again, the money all goes into the same pocket anyway. And that would be Uncle Warren's rather large, deep pockets

 

[Masterplan]

training

Does it help your interview process or hiring prospect if you are already typed in one of there planes? I am current in the XL and would only need a recurrent right?

 

[learflyer]

It helped me alot being typed on two of the aircraft they operate. I'm also a sim/ground instructor on the two. I believe it helped get the interview, although I was unsuccessful the first try. I'm mailing my new app tomorrow.

 

[VGerect]

Does it help your interview process or hiring prospect if you are already typed in one of there planes? I am current in the XL and would only need a recurrent right?

FWIW I really don't think it (type rating) helps that much. NJA is looking for customer service experts who can also fly an airplane. You will also go through the full FSI initial course even if you're typed.

 

[FLYLOW22]

It helped me alot being typed on two of the aircraft they operate. I'm also a sim/ground instructor on the two. I believe it helped get the interview, although I was unsuccessful the first try. I'm mailing my new app tomorrow.

Almost 100% chance of you NOT being placed into any fleet that you are current and qualified on if hired.

NJA training doesn't want you to bring with you another operators way of doing things.

 

[twiddle]

Almost 100% chance of you NOT being placed into any fleet that you are current and qualified on if hired.

NJA training doesn't want you to bring with you another operators way of doing things.

Not to disagree with you being a poolie myself, but during the interview, they specifically said that if you have a type in something they try to put you in the same equipment. This came up when we asked how the decide who goes in what airplane. This was during lunch with Derinda and all the Big Wigs that stopped to say hi.

 

[learflyer]

Almost 100% chance of you NOT being placed into any fleet that you are current and qualified on if hired.

NJA training doesn't want you to bring with you another operators way of doing things.

Thanks. I was at another Frac when I flew these airplanes, so hopefully they'll see (next time) that it was somewhat standardized.

 

[o2bflyn]

Almost 100% chance of you NOT being placed into any fleet that you are current and qualified on if hired.

NJA training doesn't want you to bring with you another operators way of doing things.

Interesting. I would have thought that with a large portion of people doing training at FSI facilities and NJA doing the same....there would not be a whole lot of differences.

 

[Tatin12]

Confused

2006 - 383 hired
2007 - 229 hired
2008 - we have hired 190 through July 7, this year.

Flight Safety is the weak link from what I have heard. Quicker the training facility opens the better for everyone.

Why did NetJets ever think they could hire 450 this year if Flight Safety doesn't have the training slots to support that? Is it really that difficult to forecast? Seems completely predictable.

 

[Diesel]

Why did NetJets ever think they could hire 450 this year if Flight Safety doesn't have the training slots to support that? Is it really that difficult to forecast? Seems completely predictable.

you obviously don't work for netjets.

 

[tk855]

Not to disagree with you being a poolie myself, but during the interview, they specifically said that if you have a type in something they try to put you in the same equipment. This came up when we asked how the decide who goes in what airplane. This was during lunch with Derinda and all the Big Wigs that stopped to say hi.

Don't disagree with him, he has been around for a while and has seen it happen time and time again. To re-iterate Flylow's point, they usually never place you in an aircraft you are typed in. Now, there are some cases where this has happened, but usually not. I do know that if you are typed in an aircraft NJA flies, it will benefit you.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Thanks. I was at another Frac when I flew these airplanes, so hopefully they'll see (next time) that it was somewhat standardized.

The Frac experience, in general, is great to have.

The experience and training you have had in a certain type of plane? Not so much when it comes to placing you in a certain type of aircraft initial.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Interesting. I would have thought that with a large portion of people doing training at FSI facilities and NJA doing the same....there would not be a whole lot of differences.

Basically, FSI gets you the type (using NJA SOPs and procedures).

NJA training takes it from there after you are typed and "fixes the glitches" with aircraft familiarization flying and IOE.

It's changed now but in years past, following the FSI check ride, we'd get 3 flights in the real plane and another check ride (in the plane).

Lot's of fun... glad it changed.

 

[Tatin12]

you obviously don't work for netjets.

I never said I did. The point is nobody can deny the fact that this hiring process has been mismanaged. To give someone the "unofficial" you got the job and then leave them hanging for months only to send an email that says, "your credentials are still being evaluated with those of others....blah, blah, blah" is wrong. It just seems like there must be a better way to conduct the process. Maybe it should start with forecasting the Flight Safety slots.

 

[FLYLOW22]

It just seems like there must be a better way to conduct the process. Maybe it should start with forecasting the Flight Safety slots.

Whoever said that NetJets actively planned to hire MORE than 450 this year?

Would NJA like to? Sure. Plan on it? Ummm, I never heard that.

In fact, the number fluctuates throughout the year I'm sure based on simulator availability. 300-500 has been the number I heard all year. 300-500 indefinitely is what I heard repeatedly.

450 falls within those parameters.

 

[Diesel]

tatin i said it tounge in cheek there are a lot of things that we do that just don't make sense. I don't ask questions just smile because tomorrow it will change.

 

[captain dad]

Derinda is gone. I mean no longer employed with NJA. I find this a bit upsetting that the person who was either directly or indirectly responsible for hiring 2/3 of NJA pilots was simply let go. I don't have the details while speculation and rumors abound. I won't add to the conjecture. However, I do find these events unsettling.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi.

THAT is pretty freaky! She was a VERY important part of the hiring process, and did it for a long time. Unless she left on her own, it seems very odd.

I have heard they are changing the process a lot...for example the application will be 100% online by the end of the year...no paper at all.

I would like to here what NJW has to say:

cliff
MCI

 

[Tatin12]

tatin i said it tounge in cheek there are a lot of things that we do that just don't make sense. I don't ask questions just smile because tomorrow it will change.

I do understand what you are saying Diesel. It just seems like the hiring process has been mismanaged. We all know this industry is insane and you really can't count on anything. However, they had a huge pool at Southwest for nearly a year. First of all, everybody knew they were actually in a pool. They gave them official notification of that. Next, they kept those people up to date on how the pool was looking. (i.e. when they could expect to start -- fall, summer, etc). When things changed they called people back to say, look, you are going to be in the pool longer than we thought. Stay patient and get a temporary job if you need to. They simply treated their poolies with respect and kept them in the know as best they could.

I've seen NetJets compared to Southwest several times on this forum. They certainly don't hold a candle in this area. Hopefully the changes they've made in hiring over the past month will allow a process that is more fair to the interviewees that waited months and in some cases over a year just to get their foot in the door. The back and forth/ waiting 2-3 months to get the "you're hired" word is just crazy and unprofessional.

 

[Diesel]

I see what you're saying but nj is not southwest for a variety of reasons. Most of those reasons I am happy for.

But you're right things are screwed up in our hiring department. They've never had to deal with a pool before and there were some other issues that have come up in the department itself.

The airlines hire till they furlough. I feel for you, and they are going to lose some great pilots because of this.