Heres Whats Happening At Nj Hiring...

[tk855]

Not to disagree with you being a poolie myself, but during the interview, they specifically said that if you have a type in something they try to put you in the same equipment. This came up when we asked how the decide who goes in what airplane. This was during lunch with Derinda and all the Big Wigs that stopped to say hi.

Don't disagree with him, he has been around for a while and has seen it happen time and time again. To re-iterate Flylow's point, they usually never place you in an aircraft you are typed in. Now, there are some cases where this has happened, but usually not. I do know that if you are typed in an aircraft NJA flies, it will benefit you.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Thanks. I was at another Frac when I flew these airplanes, so hopefully they'll see (next time) that it was somewhat standardized.

The Frac experience, in general, is great to have.

The experience and training you have had in a certain type of plane? Not so much when it comes to placing you in a certain type of aircraft initial.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Interesting. I would have thought that with a large portion of people doing training at FSI facilities and NJA doing the same....there would not be a whole lot of differences.

Basically, FSI gets you the type (using NJA SOPs and procedures).

NJA training takes it from there after you are typed and "fixes the glitches" with aircraft familiarization flying and IOE.

It's changed now but in years past, following the FSI check ride, we'd get 3 flights in the real plane and another check ride (in the plane).

Lot's of fun... glad it changed.

 

[Tatin12]

you obviously don't work for netjets.

I never said I did. The point is nobody can deny the fact that this hiring process has been mismanaged. To give someone the "unofficial" you got the job and then leave them hanging for months only to send an email that says, "your credentials are still being evaluated with those of others....blah, blah, blah" is wrong. It just seems like there must be a better way to conduct the process. Maybe it should start with forecasting the Flight Safety slots.

 

[FLYLOW22]

It just seems like there must be a better way to conduct the process. Maybe it should start with forecasting the Flight Safety slots.

Whoever said that NetJets actively planned to hire MORE than 450 this year?

Would NJA like to? Sure. Plan on it? Ummm, I never heard that.

In fact, the number fluctuates throughout the year I'm sure based on simulator availability. 300-500 has been the number I heard all year. 300-500 indefinitely is what I heard repeatedly.

450 falls within those parameters.

 

[Diesel]

tatin i said it tounge in cheek there are a lot of things that we do that just don't make sense. I don't ask questions just smile because tomorrow it will change.

 

[captain dad]

Derinda is gone. I mean no longer employed with NJA. I find this a bit upsetting that the person who was either directly or indirectly responsible for hiring 2/3 of NJA pilots was simply let go. I don't have the details while speculation and rumors abound. I won't add to the conjecture. However, I do find these events unsettling.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi.

THAT is pretty freaky! She was a VERY important part of the hiring process, and did it for a long time. Unless she left on her own, it seems very odd.

I have heard they are changing the process a lot...for example the application will be 100% online by the end of the year...no paper at all.

I would like to here what NJW has to say:

cliff
MCI

 

[Tatin12]

tatin i said it tounge in cheek there are a lot of things that we do that just don't make sense. I don't ask questions just smile because tomorrow it will change.

I do understand what you are saying Diesel. It just seems like the hiring process has been mismanaged. We all know this industry is insane and you really can't count on anything. However, they had a huge pool at Southwest for nearly a year. First of all, everybody knew they were actually in a pool. They gave them official notification of that. Next, they kept those people up to date on how the pool was looking. (i.e. when they could expect to start -- fall, summer, etc). When things changed they called people back to say, look, you are going to be in the pool longer than we thought. Stay patient and get a temporary job if you need to. They simply treated their poolies with respect and kept them in the know as best they could.

I've seen NetJets compared to Southwest several times on this forum. They certainly don't hold a candle in this area. Hopefully the changes they've made in hiring over the past month will allow a process that is more fair to the interviewees that waited months and in some cases over a year just to get their foot in the door. The back and forth/ waiting 2-3 months to get the "you're hired" word is just crazy and unprofessional.

 

[Diesel]

I see what you're saying but nj is not southwest for a variety of reasons. Most of those reasons I am happy for.

But you're right things are screwed up in our hiring department. They've never had to deal with a pool before and there were some other issues that have come up in the department itself.

The airlines hire till they furlough. I feel for you, and they are going to lose some great pilots because of this.

 

[Pervis]

I though it was being advertised as the world's largest Flight Safety. From that, I am guessing that it will be staffed and run by FS for NJ. But since that's my guess, I would bet on anything else.

IP at FSI recurrent CMH said they are looking to hire a couple hundred new people to handle the load at the new facility. They are hiring now, so it will be FSI. The folks at CMH are training the NJA way, unlike the other centers, and the relationship with NJA is very tight.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Thanx 4 updating us-it really helps those of us looking 4 jobs!

cliff
MCI

 

[o2bflyn]

Basically, FSI gets you the type (using NJA SOPs and procedures).

NJA training takes it from there after you are typed and "fixes the glitches" with aircraft familiarization flying and IOE.

It's changed now but in years past, following the FSI check ride, we'd get 3 flights in the real plane and another check ride (in the plane).

Lot's of fun... glad it changed.

I see what you are saying....makes sense, thanks.

 

[CA1900]

I've seen NetJets compared to Southwest several times on this forum. They certainly don't hold a candle in this area....

Nope. Southwest makes you buy your own hotel room for the interview. :laugh:

The back and forth/ waiting 2-3 months to get the "you're hired" word is just crazy and unprofessional.

Southwest helpfully let me wait over 7 weeks for a rejection letter. Having done both, I found the whole process at NetJets to be far more professional, honestly.

 

[Tatin12]

Nope. Southwest makes you buy your own hotel room for the interview. :laugh:




Southwest helpfully let me wait over 7 weeks for a rejection letter. Having done both, I found the whole process at NetJets to be far more professional, honestly.

CA1900 -- when were you hired at NJA? I have friends hired as recently as Nov 2007 that were getting the word within 24 hours? If you were hired pre-2008 I'm not surprised in the slightest that you thought the NJA process was more professional. Although Southwest may have let you wait 7 weeks, guys right now are waiting 2-3 months.

Not only are they waiting for eons, but someone within the hiring department is giving them false hope with an "unofficial you're hired email". In many cases those people received emails last week tell them that they are actually still being evaluated. What on earth are these folks left to think? I expect more out of a company like NetJets.

 

[skiandsurf]

I expect more out of a company like NetJets.

And so do we. Apparently, there is a shake up in the hiring department, and until it gets straightened out, expect some problems.

 

[CA1900]

CA1900 -- when were you hired at NJA?

A couple of years ago now. I think I found out a week or so after the interview, if that.

Hopefully we can get through these growing pains, as we're dragging things out for a lot of people in the process, from what I've been hearing. Hopefully it'll all be worth it in the end.

The "unofficial e-mails" thing seems a little shady to me, too. How about, "Congratulations, we're pleased to let you know that you've passed our interview, and are awaiting successful completion of our background check. While this is not yet an offer of employment, we wanted to keep you updated..." No gray area at all. A letter like that would seem more professional to me than these unofficial e-mails.

 

[Fozzy]

I expect more out of a company like NetJets.

Maybe you should call up the folks in hiring and tell them what you expect.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

Maybe you should call up the folks in hiring and tell them what you expect.

I'm thinking that the NJA pilots could perhaps do something like that, on behalf of their fellow pilots (potential NJA brothers/sisters) out there left in the dark. If I were there and heard about this stuff going on, I certainly would. Perhaps the new union could look into it...
3 mo. now since the interview for me.

 

[Helmsalee]

To hit the question about whether you can get the plane you are typed in, one guy in my class got the same plane he had flown at CS. However, he went through the same training as the rest of us. Only diff was he did not have to give up his certificate for the check. Same check though,