IBT 1108 Attempts to take NJASAP funds

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The GP did so claiming authority that the he does not have. That's the part you keep missing: the IBT, under the RLA and MLRDA does not have the authority to change control of those accounts.


That "he thought it was necessary" doesn't make it legal or ethical.

The check from NetJets was. If it was a legal transaction, why was it done in a dark office with someone the bookkeper let in the back door?


Once again: The GP does NOT have that authority, any more than you do. Why is that so hard for you to grasp? Just because they're "the national" doesn't grant them unlimited power over your local. If you guys are going to survive under the Teamsters, you need to learn that lesson sooner rather than later.

Chaps my hide? Not at all. We stopped this improper transaction in its tracks, all to ensure we'd get our funds from the loan we agreed to. Nothing more. With your side swiping the physical check and illegally changing control of the accounts, we could very well have been left with nothing.

On July 11th, the funds were yours to do with as you please. On July 7th, they belonged to all members of 1108, under the control of the elected E-board at that time. Not IBT, not Bill Moore, not our crooked bookkeeper, and not your future e-board leaders.


None, because we were prepared for this.

You and your leaders apparently assume we were going to clean out the accounts before we left. Nothing could be further from the truth, and this despicable action is going to hurt your union for years to come because of the complicity your leadership has shown IBT.

How are you going to say "no" to anything IBT asks, when you've already demonstrated you'll break the law when they tell you to?

Again. Says you and your street law degree. The IBT National and THEIR lawyers disagrees with your "opinion", and if you think you're right, take them to court over it. Your statements are baseless. On July 7th the eBoard STILL had control over all the money, only it was members NOT LEAVING who had the authority to write any checks or make any withdrawals. And it's funny how your book keeper became "crooked" on July 11th, the same day she became "our" book keeper. You guys are worse than a bunch of wives standing on a street corner gossiping about whatever wife isn't with them at the time. Hmmm. She was good enough for you, but now that you're not a part of the Local she's crooked. Also, again I stress - that "check" you refer to was NOT "yours", it was the Local's, not NJASAP's as per the agreement, and the eBoard always had control of ALL accounts, and the GP made sure that NEVER changed. There were NO illegal transactions, NO money transfers, and there was NOTHING illegal about how AND WHY the names on the accounts were changed. That's what the IBT's lawyers say, and if you think you "know" differently then take them to court over it.

I ask again - WHERE is the money that the net jets pilots donated for the RIF pilots? It never made it out of the Net Jets leadership's hands to the Local. How low is that to steal money from those already standing in the bread line?

 

[steelersrule74]

sigh,

again sir, you are wrong. the bookkeeper became crooked months ago when she decided to cook the books, withhold payment from vendors and gave 1108 property (dues check) to bill moore. we only became aware of it on July 9. the only true part of your statement is that she is indeed now YOUR bookkeeper as of july 11.

Also, Hoffa and moore's tactics with the cooperation of two FLOPS eboard members were to make sure that only those 3 had control of the finances, not the entire legal and duly-elected executive board.

and still no answer. perhaps tomorrow someone will let me know if 1108 is now in trusteeship.....

 

[cougar12]

I have found out that yes, 1108 was put into trusteeship and it was done prior to any account signature changes. Our members were acting under the advice and direction of IBT based on information that they received on outstanding checks due to come in after the NJ left the 1108. The trusteeship is only a temporary one and it should be removed in short order. I am proud of our leadership and I believe they did the right thing to protect the assets of the 1108. There should be no reason why NJ pilots should have had access to any monies in 1108 accounts after the vote was certified, thats just common sense. I for one as well as every FO pilot is grateful to all the NJ pilots for their assistance and we will make sure that our leadership lives up to our part of the agreement.
Now, I would like to address the fact that some of NJ leadership is posting financial information, membership numbers, and other inside information that can be useful to management. I consider this an attempt to sabotage our negotiations and find it very unprofessional. Such unprofessionalism brings a lot of suspicions as to their motives. They know exposing this information does not help FO negotiations.
Any actions by all parties in regards to the accounts of local 1108 were always going to be reviewed and we should let it work itself out before anyone starts making accusations of improper activities in such a public forum.
I personally know MS and AM personally, and they have integrity and I support them!

 

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sigh,

again sir, you are wrong. the bookkeeper became crooked months ago when she decided to cook the books, withhold payment from vendors and gave 1108 property (dues check) to bill moore. we only became aware of it on July 9. the only true part of your statement is that she is indeed now YOUR bookkeeper as of july 11.

Also, Hoffa and moore's tactics with the cooperation of two FLOPS eboard members were to make sure that only those 3 had control of the finances, not the entire legal and duly-elected executive board.

and still no answer. perhaps tomorrow someone will let me know if 1108 is now in trusteeship.....

blah blah blah. BASELESS and libel and slanderous. Cooked the books. You're a joke. Moore is a member of the IBT and there were TWO 1108 eBoard members present with the proper paperwork for the change of control of the accounts. That check was never NOT in the IBT 1108's control. It just wasn't in YOUR control. That's why there were no arrests when you panicked and called 9-1-1. If there was anything corrupt by either YOUR book keeper or the handling of that check, someone would have walked away in silver bracelets. What happened there, eh?


WHERE IS THE MONEY THE NET JETS PILOTS DONATED FOR THE FLIGHT OPTIONS RIF'd PILOTS? THAT MONEY WAS NEVER GIVEN TO THE FLIGHT OPTIONS MEC FOR DISPERSAL. WHO HAS THAT MONEY?

 

[steelersrule74]

thanks cougar for the info.

I sincerely hope the trusteeship is short-lived and the IBT allows your group the freedom and autonomy to finish your contract. Obviously my level of trust regarding Bill Moore and IBT is non-existent and I hope my fear about what he will do is never realized.

I am however curious in that he promised your group you would never be put into trusteeship. I'm not shocked that he didn't fulfill that promise, but more so that it was done with your leaders cooperation. Again, I hope I'm wrong but we'll see what the future brings......

 

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That promise was made before he discovered up to a half a million dollars in possible misappropriation of IBT Local 1108 monies as well as an incredible and seemingly unrealistic amount of outstanding checks written by the outgoing leadership.

Upon this discovery, the GP had no choice but to invoke his powers under the IBT constitution and establish an emergency trusteeship to protect the Local's assets. It was not Moore who placed us in trusteeship, it was Hoffa, and it's obvious from the livid response from the NJASAP leadership on this board, that it was done in the nic of time and appears to me to have been the right move. The Local's funds, WELL into 7 figures, are all secure. No harm was done to the Local's assets because such harm, if there was any intended, was prevented. IBT National did their job. And you guys are pissed because it happened before you could pull "something" off. We'll never know what "it" was, and I'm glad "it" didn't happen.

And the FO MEC had nothing to do with any of it - they couldn't have stopped any of what happened from occurring even if they wanted to. The power and the actions were done from the National level by the GP himself.

 

[steelersrule74]

That promise was made before he discovered up to a half a million dollars in possible misappropriation of IBT Local 1108 monies. The GP had no choice but to invoke his powers under the IBT constitution and establish an emergency trusteeship to protect the Local's assets. It was not Moore who placed us in trusteeship, it was Hoffa, and it's obvious from the livid response from the NJASAP leadership on this board, that it was done in the nic of time and appears to me to have been the right move. The Local's funds are secure. No harm was done to the Local's assets because such harm, if there was any intended, was prevented.

And the FO MEC had nothing to do with any of it - they couldn't have stopped any of what happened from occurring even if they wanted to. The power and the actions were done from the GP level.

wrong again. of course they had something to do with it and yes - they could have stopped it. It's sad that you bow to the power of the GP, strong union? - i think not. we can of course, 'what if' this all night but here's one indisputable fact:

Bill Moore now controls every penny in every account of Local 1108.

 

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wrong again. of course they had something to do with it and yes - they could have stopped it. It's sad that you bow to the power of the GP, strong union? - i think not. we can of course, 'what if' this all night but here's one indisputable fact:

Bill Moore now controls every penny in every account of Local 1108.

Not in my opinion. And every penny is still in the Local 1108's accounts, not somewhere else (Bummer, huh?) And the trusteeship probably WILL be the shortest in history, that would be my guess.

TIME will tell all.

 

[steelersrule74]

Not in my opinion. And every penny is still in the Local 1108's accounts, not somewhere else (Bummer, huh?) And the trusteeship probably WILL be the shortest in history, that would be my guess.

TIME will tell all.

at least we agree on that.......

oh, and personally i'm in support of all the money that was left to FLOPS. to insinuate that we at netjets wanted to keep more than what was agreed to keep for ourselves is ridiculous. The fact of the matter is that we didn't announce our separation until March 17. Prior to that the IBT had no interest in us (one of the problems). Netjets pilots controlled the Eboard and the finances. We could have raided the cupboard 6 months ago and left FLOPS with zip.