NWA/DAL JPWA highlights

[General Lee]

You first assume our MGMT gives a crap about our pilots let alone the junior ones. Has it occurred to you that Maybe just Maybe we are about to switch NWA to something that resembles the DAL staffing model, i mean we are about to merge? Second I sent you the numbers to show you we arent overstaffed. Finally the cost associated with furloughing people EVEN IF we were would cost OUR company a lot of money. And considering the plans and planes that are coming IF either side had to furlough it would dbe short lived. Would you prefer OUR company waste money and furloughed people unnecessarily? I hope not. We have good things coming to this New airline and you can call it rosy if you want but we NEED to put down the swords.

Hey, I understand where you are coming from. We do need to put down the swords, but there are some important issues, and plenty of insecurities to discuss. I haven't seen the whole TA, and I can only hope it does take the best parts of both of our contracts. Fingers crossed!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Fly4hire]

So let me get this straight, if you guys want to fence the 744s for 5 years (which is something we anticipate) and we say you need to fence the DC9s for 5 years (hopefully this will happen), and the new Delta decides to dump the DC9s (that were FENCED) and not get an immediate replacement, then guys with original DL numbers would be furloughed? Even though the DC9s were FENCED? Really? I think you might need to rethink that. The bottom amount of DC9 FOs equivalent to the number of displaced DC9 pilots would go to Compass, and if it was FENCED, then it would come from you guys, or newhires hired after the certificates are joined....


Bye Bye--General Lee

GL,

Never mentioned fences, and I heard it was RA's and Moaks position that there would be no fences.

Once we have an SLI, it is just that - one seniority list, and everything happens in seniority order.

 

[Sedona16]

I still cant figure out why Moak is putting this joint contract together before the SLI. From a leverage standpoint its asinine. I would encourage Delta pilots to vote this agreement down.

 

[Fly4hire]

I still cant figure out why Moak is putting this joint contract together before the SLI. From a leverage standpoint its asinine. I would encourage Delta pilots to vote this agreement down.

Perhaps because he's being leveraged from several paygrades higher than his, or realizes the DAL pilots stand to lose more in delaying the process than to defend an untenable position?

Now I suggest you guys get on the train before it leaves the station without you.....:bomb:

 

[RedRum]

Take a quick look

I am aware we are getting a raise, 5%, I am also aware that at the end of the day NWA is getting twice as much of an initial a raise, and they keep their pension, as they should. I believe DALPA should have negotiated a one time payment to all DAL pilots which equals the “extra” money NWA pilots get for being brought up to pay parity. I believe that’s what a lot of pilots I’ve been talking to the last few days are complaining about. If NWA gets a 9.5% to 10% raise, DAL pilots should get 9.5% to 10% raise. The difference between the universal 5% and the NWA raise should be paid to us as a one time check.

What do you think the NWA pilots would say if DAL started a brand new A fund only for DAL pilots. After all NWA has a pension already, frozen, but they still have it. I have a feeling they would feel like they are not getting as much……. I understand a 5% check is not the same as a pension, but the concept is the same. As a DAL pilot I expect to get the same % as NWA pilot. Otherwise my vote is NO

My momma always told me you never punch a gift horse in the mouth...

With that being said. I don't want to start flame-throwing here. Here are the facts. You just got a pay raise. What is your position at DAL right now? Look at what you would be holding had your senior guys not left in the buyout. That should more than cover the one-time check you are asking that DAL give you.

Just my opinion, but you should try to be a little more grateful for the raise you got, especially in this industry right now.

I am really looking forward to the new corporate culture. The culture we have here at NWA is one of distrust and one-upsmanship on both sides of the table. It is clear that the culture is different at Delta. I am looking forward to working together for a viable company that exhibits mutual respect for eachother no matter what your position is.

Life is too short to complain about what someone else got. Be thankful we aren't involved in the flame-throwing that is going on At US Airways. Seriously, those guys are MISERABLE.

Honestly I can't believe that things are being negotiated in such a professional manner up to this point. But I am enjoying it for the time being.

Cheers.

 

[NuGuy]

Perhaps because he's being leveraged from several paygrades higher than his, or realizes the DAL pilots stand to lose more in delaying the process than to defend an untenable position?

Heyas F4H,

Hmm, according to Sedona there, LOA19 WAS all about leverage, after the DAL guys promised us it wasn't. How about that....

Now I suggest you guys get on the train before it leaves the station without you....

Oh man, oh man...

Nu

 

[GogglesPisano]

The ALPA reps were in the ATL lounge today. They were very upbeat about the merger.

The SLI will be agreed to by November. If it can't be jointly agreed to it will go to 3-man arbitration -- each side choosing one arbitrator with the third jointly chosen.

The DC9's are not planned to be parked. They lose money -- but so do the 88s's (and the RJ's). Big picture -- both aircraft are there to feed the international traffic and are subsidized by international traffic. The 9's are paid for and can be parked for several hours per day -- unlike aircraft that are leased.

If the 9's are parked -- if any aircraft are parked after the SLI in November -- furloughs will come off the merged list. This makes it prohibitively expensive to furlough.

On the date of corporate closure you will see an intermingling of routes -- still with separate operating certificates. For instance, the SLC-CDG route will more than likely be flown with a ("NWA") A330 in Delta colors flown by the NWA side of the house. Look for a lot of "right-sizing" -- up to 50% of the international markets.

The single operating certificate will be 12-18 months later.

There will be a flow-back for any furloughees -- that includes Delta pilots.

The original no-furlough clause in the current DAL PWA mentioning Troy Kane will remain unchanged, I believe. They can furlough up to but not including him without removing seats from the 76 seaters.

The Delta pilot's equity will not be diluted to account for the NWA pilots' equity.

Or so I heard.

 

[Sedona16]

Hmm, according to Sedona there, LOA19 WAS all about leverage, after the DAL guys promised us it wasn't.
Nu

I said nothing of the sort. LOA19 was to anchor some pay and work rules in place while the industry continues to spiral down. Northwest guys now will benefit.

The leverage I am talking about has to do with pay rates prior to LOA19. As I see it this will go to arbitration....its the Northwest pilot way of doing things. That said, Delta pilots have three areas of leverage; 1. current higher pay rates paid for with pensions 2. Twice the widebodies 3. Jr Pilots early career expectations are much better.

By evening up the pay rates prior to arbitration one area of leverage is lost. Vote this down. Its not worth selling ones soul just to keep the Northwest guys from crying.

 

[Noserider76]

Heyas F4H,

Hmm, according to Sedona there, LOA19 WAS all about leverage, after the DAL guys promised us it wasn't. How about that....
Nu

The fact is bud that only one side has been looking out for the interests of both groups from day 1 while the other has been firmly focused on itself. The bennies you are about to enjoy come care of the Lee and the DL MEC who had the foresight to try and take advantage of the merger.

The completely one-sided SLI proposals put forth by your side in response to middle of the road proposals have caused much distrust on our side. Many here see no need to rush into that briar patch again. I am withholding judgement until I see the deal.

 

[Mike Ditka]

I realize it's probably hard to predict exactly what will happen as there are many variables involved, but does anyone have any insight as to what will happen to those pilots currently in the NWA hiring pool? I think there are about 120 with conditional offers.

If NWA hires before the merger is complete my guess is they will be on the list like everyone else. However, if Delta hires first will they be offerred a class date or given preferential interviews before new interviews are scheduled? If hiring resumes after the merger completion will they be given a class under the New Delta or have to start the process all over?

Just wondering what to expect...thanks for any info.