NWA/DAL JPWA highlights

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The original no-furlough clause in the current DAL PWA mentioning Troy Kane will remain unchanged, I believe.

Or so I heard.

... and what's his seniority number after SLI? How do we know what that means?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

... and what's his seniority number after SLI? How do we know what that means?

Wow... what happened to...

nevermind... see you guys after this is over with.

Your last FI "retirement" at least lasted more than 24 hours. You are, apparently, Michael Jordan's and Roger Clemens' love child!

(All in good fun...)

 

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OK - nailed again. Guess I'll take the wife to Victoria's Secret.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

OK - nailed again. Guess I'll take the wife to the mall. Victoria's Secret is having a sale.

Bah... don't bother. The wife and I already cleaned out all the good stuff. I think the pink stuffed dog is still on clearance.

 

[Superpilot92]

The ALPA reps were in the ATL lounge today. They were very upbeat about the merger.

The SLI will be agreed to by November. If it can't be jointly agreed to it will go to 3-man arbitration -- each side choosing one arbitrator with the third jointly chosen.

The DC9's are not planned to be parked. They lose money -- but so do the 88s's (and the RJ's). Big picture -- both aircraft are there to feed the international traffic and are subsidized by international traffic. The 9's are paid for and can be parked for several hours per day -- unlike aircraft that are leased.

If the 9's are parked -- if any aircraft are parked after the SLI in November -- furloughs will come off the merged list. This makes it prohibitively expensive to furlough.

On the date of corporate closure you will see an intermingling of routes -- still with separate operating certificates. For instance, the SLC-CDG route will more than likely be flown with a ("NWA") A330 in Delta colors flown by the NWA side of the house. Look for a lot of "right-sizing" -- up to 50% of the international markets.

The single operating certificate will be 12-18 months later.

There will be a flow-back for any furloughees -- that includes Delta pilots.

The original no-furlough clause in the current DAL PWA mentioning Troy Kane will remain unchanged, I believe. They can furlough up to but not including him without removing seats from the 76 seaters.

The Delta pilot's equity will not be diluted to account for the NWA pilots' equity.

Or so I heard.

Great Info thanks!!

Hopefully some of these "No" votes will get the memo and take a quick look around the rest of the industry.

 

[Superpilot92]

I still cant figure out why Moak is putting this joint contract together before the SLI. From a leverage standpoint its asinine. I would encourage Delta pilots to vote this agreement down.

Maybe its because EVERYONE knows we dont need and cant afford another USAIR mess. We can all agree on increased pay and need to focus on working together no matter how optimistic that sounds its true.

 

[Tantrum]

If the 9's are parked -- if any aircraft are parked after the SLI in November -- furloughs will come off the merged list.

So even our own ALPA reps know the no furlough clause means nothing...glad they negotiated for that.

 

[tomgoodman]

The strategy

I still cant figure out why Moak is putting this joint contract together before the SLI. From a leverage standpoint its asinine. I would encourage Delta pilots to vote this agreement down.

I think it's because both MECs want the JPWA to pass, and a prior SLI might jeopardize that. Hundreds of pilots will be highly upset when the list is finally arranged, even if it were to be drawn up by the Twelve Apostles.

 

[dtfl]

The ALPA reps were in the ATL lounge today. They were very upbeat about the merger.

The SLI will be agreed to by November. If it can't be jointly agreed to it will go to 3-man arbitration -- each side choosing one arbitrator with the third jointly chosen.

The DC9's are not planned to be parked. They lose money -- but so do the 88s's (and the RJ's). Big picture -- both aircraft are there to feed the international traffic and are subsidized by international traffic. The 9's are paid for and can be parked for several hours per day -- unlike aircraft that are leased.

If the 9's are parked -- if any aircraft are parked after the SLI in November -- furloughs will come off the merged list. This makes it prohibitively expensive to furlough.

On the date of corporate closure you will see an intermingling of routes -- still with separate operating certificates. For instance, the SLC-CDG route will more than likely be flown with a ("NWA") A330 in Delta colors flown by the NWA side of the house. Look for a lot of "right-sizing" -- up to 50% of the international markets.

The single operating certificate will be 12-18 months later.

There will be a flow-back for any furloughees -- that includes Delta pilots.

The original no-furlough clause in the current DAL PWA mentioning Troy Kane will remain unchanged, I believe. They can furlough up to but not including him without removing seats from the 76 seaters.

The Delta pilot's equity will not be diluted to account for the NWA pilots' equity.

Or so I heard.

I was in the lounge for a bit, trying to head out to JS home. All I heard walking around was a lot of pissed of DAL guys - mostly CAPTs...so I decided to head to the gate.

Furlough clause - does this PWA include the bit about lowering the ALV first?

 

[clippyrip]

All I heard walking around was a lot of pissed off DAL guys

Thats too bad. Were they happy when LOA 19 was just Delta and thought they had gotten the better of NWA?