NWA/DAL JPWA highlights

[ACL65PILOT]

Well They are. Now we have to decide if the same raises as LOA 19, and long term job security are worth voting for the JPWA.

 

[DAL737FO]

Now what would reeeeeally be funny is if DL guys vote this dowe, NWA guys vote it through...then it will be the DL guys holding everything up, and NW guys get to go by the agreement for their side (ala LOA19). Won't do anything for unity of their group as a whole, but the karma for the DL whiners would be priceless

VOR,

You really don't get how this works. If we vote it down then it doesn't go into effect for either side. The status quo remains and LOA 19 goes into effect for the Delta side at DCC. Hence joint pilot working agreement. If either side votes it down then it's up to the negotiators to go back to the tables.

 

[Superpilot92]

I want you guys to have parity and move forward as one group. However, it is not unreasonable to say, there was an amount of pie allocated to do this deal, the DL MEC made it possible to access this pie, and you guys receive the lion's share. We're looking for an equity offset or payout to equalize the amount of pie for each side. My view is that a deal seen as equally beneficial will foster a better relationship going forward.

The same can be said for fences that will allow both sides to count on a status quo QOL. Face it, from this side of the fence we see you guys getting a far better deal.

LOA 19 came as a result of the Merger with US. IF not for the merger you would be getting NOTHING More right now. We are in this together. You voted in LOA 19 before when the NWA pilots were left out and that was ok but now suddenly when we get the same deal that is allowed because of the joining of OUR companies, its not ok? Fact is we are getting less DC and less Equity but same rates. Our rates mathematically HAVE to be more than yours because we have further to go to get there because of a number of factors. This is about Equality and now your second guessing YOUR MEC, WHY? You trusted them up to this point why the sudden change? Is it Greed? I hope not because if you think you will be able to get MORE in the current state of our industry you are crazy. Some times you have to take it and run and NOW is that time.

 

[Superpilot92]

VOR,

You really don't get how this works. If we vote it down then it doesn't go into effect for either side. The status quo remains and LOA 19 goes into effect for the Delta side at DCC. Hence joint pilot working agreement. If either side votes it down then it's up to the negotiators to go back to the tables.

And if that happens we may not even get what we have now considering things are worse now then they were before. Just like we would have had more back in Feb had we come to an agreement then(different discussion). The effects will be worse if we wait ask Usair and America West guys what they think about not working together.

 

[Flyer1015]

So what does this all mean for Compass. Since layoffs at the majors are inevitable, what does it mean for the Compass flowback?

 

[FlyinPiker]

LOA 19 came as a result of the Merger with US. IF not for the merger you would be getting NOTHING More right now. We are in this together. You voted in LOA 19 before when the NWA pilots were left out and that was ok but now suddenly when we get the same deal that is allowed because of the joining of OUR companies, its not ok? Fact is we are getting less DC and less Equity but same rates. Our rates mathematically HAVE to be more than yours because we have further to go to get there because of a number of factors. This is about Equality and now your second guessing YOUR MEC, WHY? You trusted them up to this point why the sudden change? Is it Greed? I hope not because if you think you will be able to get MORE in the current state of our industry you are crazy. Some times you have to take it and run and NOW is that time.

What's with the greed talk? I can't say I agree with these guys but I can take a step back and see where they are coming from. They don't want more than what the NWA pilots stand to gain from the new TA they want what they feel is the same as the NWA pilots stand to gain (payout, bonus...whatever).

LOA 19 was not meant as a long term deal. LOA 19 was meant for if this deal was pushed through and both sides weren't able to come to agreement by then . Call it what you want, but it was smart. It was something that actually gave the DAL pilot group a reason to actually listen to the company as they spouted off the benefit's of a merger. It cracks me up when I hear "you guys were fine with LOA19 without the NW pilots"....of course it was without the Northwest pilots...the whole purpose of it was a fall back if both sides weren't able to come to an agreement. If we were both working on it it wouldn't have been an LOA it would have been a TA.

Remember LOA 19 came after our very successful talks on how we were going to handle seniority...thank god the two dynamic's of the unions have changed.

I see a new theme of some seem to be we would never have LOA 19 if it was not for the merger (really?? no new news there), but I actually think we would not have LOA 19 if our unions would have got off to a better start...either way it seemed to get both sides talking again didn't it.

 

[Noserider76]

LOA 19 came as a result of the Merger with US. IF not for the merger you would be getting NOTHING More right now. We are in this together. You voted in LOA 19 before when the NWA pilots were left out and that was ok but nowyou are crazy.

Letter 19 is a moot point now. I'm talking benefits from the pre-merger baseline and the perception here. Greed or not we'll all be better off in the long run if the deal is perceived to bring equal benefits to both sides.

 

[Superpilot92]

So what does this all mean for Compass. Since layoffs at the majors are inevitable, what does it mean for the Compass flowback?

They arent inevitable at least not at NWA and DAL as of right now and there are many factors that lead to that belief. the flowthrough is being carried over in the new TA so anything is possible but IMHO its doubtful. We'll see.

 

[Superpilot92]

What's with the greed talk? Greed talk was because of the view of some people on this thread that now feel they deserve more because the NWA pilots in a % basis appear to get more. If we are to have one contract and payrates its impossible for DAL to get more than the NWA pilots since we have to come up more to get to whatever rates we have. I can't say I agree with these guys but I can take a step back and see where they are coming from. They don't want more than what the NWA pilots stand to gain from the new TA they want what they feel is the same as the NWA pilots stand to gain (payout, bonus...whatever).

LOA 19 was not meant as a long term deal. LOA 19 was meant for if this deal was pushed through and both sides weren't able to come to agreement by then . Call it what you want, but it was smart. It was something that actually gave the DAL pilot group a reason to actually listen to the company as they spouted off the benefit's of a merger. It cracks me up when I hear "you guys were fine with LOA19 without the NW pilots"....of course it was without the Northwest pilots...the whole purpose of it was a fall back if both sides weren't able to come to an agreement. If we were both working on it it wouldn't have been an LOA it would have been a TA.

Remember LOA 19 came after our very successful talks on how we were going to handle seniority...thank god the two dynamic's of the unions have changed. The new theme seems to be we would never have LOA 19 if it was not for the merger (really?? no new news there), but I actually think we would not have LOA 19 if our unions would have got off to a better start...either way it seemed to get both sides talking again didn't it.

I agree with what you are saying and its a very good thing that both sides are working together. We are leaps and bounds ahead of the fiasco at Usair and it needs to stay that way for ALL of us to see the short and long term success of our company.

 

[FlyinPiker]

I think these guys have found a way around that with the talks of bonus or payout checks. Still keeps things equal doesn't it? Pay rates stay the same and both side are happy. I'm not saying I agree with it, but don't say it's impossible to make these guys happy. I certainly wouldn't shy away from a check.