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[densoo]

I think CAL feels they have two big liabilities they regret not dealing with in a BK: The A plan and the scope clause. The frozen A plan can't be touched (except in a BK) and the scope clause has to be bargained. The CAL pilot group has to stick together to protect both these. However, with furloughs in light of age 65, I think we can see where the imminent retirees might stand on scope!

"CAL pilot group has to stick together" is an oxymoron. How many MEC chairs have even finished their term since ALPA came on property. Just pushed out an LEC rep in EWR and that is just the beginning of a push to oust the current MEC regime. All this in the middle of section six openers.

"I think we can see where the imminent retirees might stand on scope"--and guess where the bottom third of the seniority list stands on the A-Fund? If there is any loophole possible to vote it away, they will because they don't have a dollar in it, they've been on a B-scale since they were hired, and didn't have any medical while working at a legacy carrier Fortune 500 company.

Yes, the "they knew that when they were hired" implies they have no legitimate gripe, but they do have a legitimate vote, equal to anyone else's now. When you don't take care of your young, they don't take care of you.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Flopgut you miss my point.

The pilot who replaces the senior widebody CA would have to be paid an hourly rate of pay less than the current pilot or recieve less in benefits to make it worthwhile for Continental in this case to offer a buyout. I don't think you really want that. Yes you might get to move up a seat. But are you willing to do that job for less than it pays now????

Conman you are full of crap using the old line of don't hurt the senior because someday you will be senior.

You pulled that tired line the last time all this happened while you kept your job, flew 100 hours a month picking up everything possible, while telling the next generation you will get yours.

Shut the F up and RETIRE you over 60 hack!

 

[ultrarunner]

move John Prater. And to think, a majority voted AGAINST Age 65.

Hey, I think our sitting president lost the majority vote, but there he sits, right?

 

[densoo]

The over 60 guys now have just as much legal right to the job as you do. If you think they should go, then I can make a case for you to take a LOA and let a junior pilot keep his job. After all, you're young and talented and can replace your CAL income on the street far easier than older guys can.

It has already started. This was posted on another forum. "You're young and talented and can replace your CAL income...easier."

Response: the age 60 guys have had 30 years or more to wisely prepare for their future. That they haven't done so is entirely their fault and the burden of their foolishness shouldn't be borne by someone else.

Their children are likely grown and gone. Boats, cars, equity in captain's houses are all investment vehicles they can fall back on. The young pilot has nothing.

So should the senior guy move to a smaller house or should the junior guy furloughed with nothing?

 

[Flopgut]

Flopgut you miss my point.

The pilot who replaces the senior widebody CA would have to be paid an hourly rate of pay less than the current pilot or recieve less in benefits to make it worthwhile for Continental in this case to offer a buyout. I don't think you really want that. Yes you might get to move up a seat. But are you willing to do that job for less than it pays now????

I get your point, Conman. And I think you might be conning me?

Here's what I'm not willing to see this time: We aren't going to effectively BK the bottom half of the list to almost completely spare the top half! That's precisely what the contract we have now did. No more senior CAL pilot BS: Don't fall for the negotiating tactics. Protect the top pay rates. Protect the retirement. All the while that's exactly what the top guys are doing!

The scope clause will be more important than top payrates this time.

 

[Flopgut]

"CAL pilot group has to stick together" is an oxymoron.

Agreed!! But we have to try.

Here's the deal: Old guys stick with us on scope, we'll stick with them on A fund. The Company will take them both simultaneously.

The old guys need to show some leadership and willingness to work together to make up for the retirement age seniority grab. Young guys haven't actually done anything aggressive. They are the ones you can trust at this point.

 

[conman]

Luckytohaveajob,

You really have no clue. You don't know me. You don't know how old I am. You don't even know what airline I work for. I 've never flown 100 hours in a calendar month. I bet you did that all the time flying for a regional airline at $18 an hour. All the while knowing you were contributing to the demise of this profession by participating in the outsourcing of mainline airline jobs.

 

[conman]

Fopgut,

I've always been a big proponent of "scope". I've seen a great deal of my airline's domestic flying replaced by money losing rj's bankrolled by the mainline operation. Good luck to you at CAL. Good luck to all of us. By the way, I'm not conning ya!!

 

[JetMonkey]

Luckytohaveajob,

You really have no clue. You don't know me. You don't know how old I am. You don't even know what airline I work for. I 've never flown 100 hours in a calendar month. I bet you did that all the time flying for a regional airline at $18 an hour. All the while knowing you were contributing to the demise of this profession by participating in the outsourcing of mainline airline jobs.

WEAK! who was it that allowed rj's to be flown by regionals? Look in the miror.

 

[Flopgut]

Fopgut,

I've always been a big proponent of "scope". I've seen a great deal of my airline's domestic flying replaced by money losing rj's bankrolled by the mainline operation. Good luck to you at CAL. Good luck to all of us. By the way, I'm not conning ya!!

Well that's good to hear, and thank you. We need to hear that from senior CAL guys. One of our biggest problems: A senior CAL guy can't say to a junior one "You'll have this job someday" and mean it. Thier actions say otherwise.