The union's action demonstrated the discipline of its membership.

[CopilotDoug]

Then why all the passion for ALPA issues if you are not a member?

Family members Rez. But again, stick to the topic!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Family members Rez. But again, stick to the topic!

ALPA furloughed staffers today...

It is what you wanted isn't?

 

[CopilotDoug]

ALPA furloughed staffers today...

It is what you wanted isn't?

If ALPA is to be fixed, it's a start. Now how about getting Prater onboard with the shared sacrifices?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

If ALPA is to be fixed, it's a start. Now how about getting Prater onboard with the shared sacrifices?

I thought you'd like someone losing thier job.... shows your character...

As far as prater.... your family members don't have the skillset... How do you think prater pay is cut... does he just declare it?

Do they even vote in LEC elections?

 

[PCL_128]

ALPA furloughed staffers today...

Anyone I used to work with?

 

[CopilotDoug]

I thought you'd like someone losing thier job.... shows your character...

As far as prater.... your family members don't have the skillset... How do you think prater pay is cut... does he just declare it?

Do they even vote in LEC elections?

No I don't take any pleasure in knowing someone is out of a job. But that's the real world and as you've said, life is not fair. No one is entitled to a paycheck.

Yeah, they're quite active in ALPA. But they aren't the guys bitching/complaining/doing nothing at the same time. So your argument isn't with them.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Anyone I used to work with?

I got a quick breifing today.... no names...

 

[flygirlqt]

I got a quick breifing today.... no names...

This is a very enlightening comment here Rez as it leads one to believe that you are obviously pretty far up the hierarchy at ALPA National. This also explains perfectly your total intransigence in listening to the complaints of the membership. The more you write the more it becomes obvious that you are a direct benefactor in the spoils of ALPA National.

Until those in power truly understand and accept that ALPA has a very serious problem on their hands with credibility and membership satisfaction, I expect the downward spiral for ALPA to continue. Naturally, ALPA National does not care because they understand their source of income is not related to their performance or return in value to the membership.

The end result I believe we will see another major airline with a decertification effort within the next couple of years. I am going to take a wild guess it will be either CAL or the former pilots at NWA pushing for it at the combined Delta.

Also, you still never answered my question to you about your own ideas for fixing ALPA besides pointing fingers at the membership. How about some original ideas instead of your tired song and dance about membership apathy? Leadership and commitment starts at the top.

 

[JohnDoe]

Also, you still never answered my question to you about your own ideas for fixing ALPA besides pointing fingers at the membership. How about some original ideas instead of your tired song and dance about membership apathy? Leadership and commitment starts at the top.

Good luck getting an answer to anything.

All Rez seems to be able to do is answer questions with questions.

He still hasn't answered my simple question of whether alpa national had any responsibility to act in the case of aloha pilots working for free. Simple yes or no.

 

[flygirlqt]

Good luck getting an answer to anything.
All Rez seems to be able to do is answer questions with questions.

Don't forget to mention that part of his answers always contains blame toward the membership to rationalize ALPA's failures over and over.

He still hasn't answered my simple question of whether alpa national had any responsibility to act in the case of aloha pilots working for free. Simple yes or no.

Maybe a yes or no answer is just to difficult for him?

 

[saabservant]

It's tough being an alpa apologist.....

alpa can't reform itself and be more responsive to it's problems and weaknesses because it has no will to challenge the senior people at each airline, who use their leverage at the bargaining table to benefit themselves at the expense of the strength of the association.
Thus, no reform on national seniority, no end to oursourcing and second-class careers, no end to whipsawing by mgmt. Mgmt. has played us like a old drum for too long...

The national president could force reform simply by refusing to sign contracts with these provisions.
Or, the national board, made up of reps., could pass resolutions changing alpa's constitution and by-laws.
But, who controls the board? The reps with the most constituents(majors/legacies) and the least inclination to embrace change, and whose constituents benefit from the status quo. We need to heal ourselves, first.

Our elected officers in Herndon need to stop working for the alpa staff lawyers and communications people(the message wagging the dog?) and start fighting for our jobs and careers. At present, ask any officer of the association what is first duty is to, and the true answer will be to the association and it's fiscal position, not to the status of our jobs or the profession.

The only thing about alpa and our contracts that survived intact this decade was.... the major contingincy fund. It's like a b2 bomber, left in the hanger and never used. They piddle out stipends to mec's in negotiations for strike preparedness, but will never use it to actually fight for us.
We use the funds to actually facilitate our roll-over/bend-over with management.....

My 1.9% worth, fraternally

 

[spinproof]

Well said! You have a grasp of the situation now if only others in power would follow. Not likely given the usual buttboy suspects on this board.

 

[pkober]

Here's some pictures of the may day celebration.

http://www.life.com/Life/classicpictures/mayday/6.html

 

[PCL_128]

I got a quick breifing today.... no names...

Departments maybe?

 

[PCL_128]

This is a very enlightening comment here Rez as it leads one to believe that you are obviously pretty far up the hierarchy at ALPA National.

Your assumption is incorrect. Rez is just a line pilot like you or me.