Thanks SkyW

[samfu_1]

When are you guys gonna get it through your head that skw pilots are not lower paid. There's much more to a paycheck than just an hourly rate. Whatever the rates are in this CPA, they aren't cheaper because of pilot labor.

Do you have the rule as a SKW pilot to get 100% DHD pay? Do you get to train on days that you originally had a trip on or do you have to train on days off? Do you get a vacation schedule that gives you any trip dropped that your vacation touches? Those are huge things that net our pilot group lots of extra pay.

 

[007]

I bet CAL will end up giving up scope just to get rid of PBS. In the end, they always have voted yes to the first offer.....Please prove me wrong.

 

[Ezralite]

I bet CAL will end up giving up scope just to get rid of PBS.

Now that's just retarded.

 

[WalterSobchak]

I would hope that as professionals that most likely have an advanced education, advanced training, and have spent years getting to this career level, as well as the responsibilities that we have, not to mention the cost to our careers and personal lives that we pay, along with the threat of the loss of the career (not just a job) hanging on the whims of the FAA ...... That "....overall the package is still a better setup than what I had in my AirTran ramp days...."

Should you be paid commensurate to your training and expertise? Absolutely, I'm not going to argue with you there. However, you chose the career and knew what you were getting into. You were aware of the pitfalls as well as the possibilites, and it drives me nuts when a pilot starts throwing around the "my career is always in jeopardy" line.

You think I don't put my career on the line every time a build a flight release (of which I do 45-60 of everyday)? And, yes, I said "career", as this is what I've chosen...I'm no pilot wannabe as we so often are accused (as I've stated before, I'm way too smart and not bitter enough to fly airplanes for a living). I'm damn good at and very much enjoy what I do in OCC.

My work gets reviewed and picked apart at random anytime the feds feel like it...they're thorough, too. One misstep without an accompanying ASAP...and I get called to the carpet. Not to mention the millions of other occurrences throughout out an operations day that can fall under the scrutiny of various government agencies and result in fines to the company and my termination. What I'm saying is, you're not the only one putting the career on the line everyday.

While I'm on a tangent...I've been seeing alot of "the hand on the throttle holds all the power" BS popping up all over FI lately. I would just like to remind you all that, like it or not, you are cogs in a machine...just like the dispatchers, flight attendants, rampers, CS agents, etc. One group walks, the whole thing falls apart. You're no more powerful than the lowest rung if they should choose to walk.

Here's some food for thought...a few hundred of you call out sick and we call in some reserves and cancel some flights. Twenty of us call out...and the airline calls it a day because of the inability to maintain operational control. See, we all hold the power...

All said, I was only pointing out my 401(k) and bonus package is better between the two companies...and I was talking strictly 401(k)/bonus and not A/B funds, etc.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Should you be paid commensurate to your training and expertise? Absolutely, I'm not going to argue with you there. However, you chose the career and knew what you were getting into. You were aware of the pitfalls as well as the possibilites, and it drives me nuts when a pilot starts throwing around the "my career is always in jeopardy" line.

You think I don't put my career on the line every time a build a flight release (of which I do 45-60 of everyday)? And, yes, I said "career", as this is what I've chosen...I'm no pilot wannabe as we so often are accused (as I've stated before, I'm way too smart and not bitter enough to fly airplanes for a living). I'm damn good at and very much enjoy what I do in OCC.

My work gets reviewed and picked apart at random anytime I feds feels like it...they're thorough, too. One misstep without an accompanying ASAP...and I get called to the carpet. Not to mention the millions of other occurrences throughout out an operations day that can fall under the scrutiny of various government agencies and result in fines to the company and my termination. What I'm saying is, you're not the only one putting the career on the line everyday.

While I'm on a tangent...I've been seeing alot of "the hand on the throttle holds all the power" BS popping up all over FI lately. I would just like to remind you all that, like it or not, you are cogs in a machine...just like the dispatchers, flight attendants, rampers, CS agents, etc. One group walks, the whole thing falls apart. You're no more powerful than the lowest rung if they should choose to walk.

Here's some food for thought...a few hundred of you call out sick and we call in some reserves and cancel some flights. Twenty of us call out...and the airline calls it a day because of the inability to maintain operational control. See, we all hold the power...

All said, I was only pointing out my 401(k) and bonus package is better between the two companies...and I was talking strictly 401(k)/bonus and not A/B funds, etc.

I hate to burst your bubble, but you do know we operated thousands of flights for many years without a single dispatcher on the property?...

 

[WalterSobchak]

I hate to burst your bubble, but you do know we operated thousands of flights for many years without a single dispatcher on the property?...

Sorry to disappoint, but no bubble burst...completely aware, compadre. I know my history. Just kinda tough to operate a 121 Passenger Operation without us...or without any other cog in the machine, so to speak.

 

[Gandalf]

Walter,

Re-read Sweptback and my responses......."The problem with employees in this industry is that they compare their benefits to only peer airlines....and ......"as professionals..."

Neither one was pitting pilots vs. dispatchers. And it drives me nuts whenever someone pulls the "you chose the career and knew what you were getting into..." card. Yes, I did. But, that doesn't mean that I can't hope for and work towards improving certain aspects about the career.

....."I've been seeing alot of "the hand on the throttle holds all the power" BS popping up all over FI lately. I would just like to remind you all that, like it or not, you are cogs in a machine...just like the dispatchers, flight attendants, rampers, CS agents, etc. One group walks, the whole thing falls apart. You're no more powerful than the lowest rung if they should choose to walk.

Here's some food for thought...a few hundred of you call out sick and we call in some reserves and cancel some flights. Twenty of us call out...and the airline calls it a day because of the inability to maintain operational control. See, we all hold the power...Maybe you should read your own posts......

 

[Andy Neill]

Hardly know where to start with this one.

The stock grant is worthless to me. If I'm here 3 years after it vests, I get to keep it and then I'll be happy... if not then I get nothing.

Granted

As for the stock purchase plan, that has a little more benefit to me.

A little more? Do you know that the equivalent annual rate of return on this program is at least 68% even if the stock went sideways or down during the previous 6 months? If it went up, it is much more. I have a hard time investing aggressively to match this. When a company offers this, they are asking, "Do you want a 2% (minimum) raise or not?"

However, while this type of compensation is unique to the regional industry, it is almost commonplace to a company in about any other industry.

I thought you were talking about how SkyWest is dragging down the airline industry - not the world.

Not to mention any type of compensation involving stock is much less expensive for the company then actually doling out money.

This one has already been addressed. The benefit's worth is not what it costs the company but what the benefit is worth to you.

The problem with employees in this industry is that they compare their benefits to only peer airlines. I say that we should compare our benefits to employers throughout the US.

The peer airline comparison is valid when the accusation is that SkyWest is dragging the industry down. Are you conceding that SkyWest does offer superior benefits within the regional industry but not the wider corporate world? If so, I might agree. Why are you in this poorly compensated industry?

Waiting 2-3 years to get a 50% match on your 401k earnings is poor considering that most companies start you out at that on day one.

As I recall, SkyWest had a 100% match after one year. In essence, they are asking "Do you want a $5000 ((or $6000 for older folks) a year raise or not?" How about your company?

Waiting 6-7 years to vest in your 401k is poor considering most companies are 2-3.

Again, I recall 100% vesting immediately. Do you have to wait 2-3 years? Bummer!

Get my picture?

I hope not.

 

[ToiletDuck]

I work at RAH but I'd kill for SKYW stock plan.

 

[No.W.]

Do you have the rule as a SKW pilot to get 100% DHD pay? Do you get to train on days that you originally had a trip on or do you have to train on days off? Do you get a vacation schedule that gives you any trip dropped that your vacation touches? Those are huge things that net our pilot group lots of extra pay.

Question 1: Yes.

Question 2: Our days are "preassigned" in PBS. If you wanted it off...too bad(sucks).

Question 3: Heck NO. That's one of the best things about the ExpressJet contract. That was even in place BEFORE the new contract(when I was there)...it's AWESOME.

So 1 for 3...

I've never argued that SkyWest had the better contract...I do think that our compensation at the end of the year...when comparing W2's stands up pretty well.