Thanks SkyW

[WAVIT Inbound]

SkyWest President C.C. has mentioned tat SkyWest airlines (not inc.) is working with the FAA to add the ERJ 145 to the operating cert. must be some truth in the deal.

It was approved on Tuesday. The 145 that is.

 

[WalterSobchak]

So go ahead burn it down, you dont "own" the airplanes so your protest will make as much sense as the idiots that burned their neighborhoods during the LA riots!

I don't necessarily agree with anything that has been proposed...but this pretty much sums up the whole "burn down the house" mentality.

 

[snozberry]

So what's the deal? Did SKYW Inc buy them already? I thought XJ shut the deal down, what the hecks going on?

 

[SkyNation]

what the hecks going on?

for now, scenarios are being proposed and deals considered, that is all...plus lots of chest thumping, prideful rants and empty threats here at good ol' FI.com

all that and 2 bits might buy you a stick of gum, for what it's all worth

 

[joe_pilot]

It was approved on Tuesday. The 145 that is.

Source?

 

[snozberry]

So in other words...NOTHING. To the XJ guys complaining about losing their LAX base, I feel your pain. I remember the way it felt when I had to move out of there because we lost our base when YOU took it from us.

 

[rickair7777]

Skywest would be getting the Delta flying in LAX too, and no more XJT scope.

FWI, SKW was always going to get the LAX DAL flying all along... XJT was just a placeholder until the UAX non-compete thing could be worked (which it has been). Everybody at SKW, and everybody I know at XJT, knew this all along...

 

[sweptback]

So let me get this straight.

SkyWest, Inc. buys ExpressJet, immediately furloughs 700 pilots, then transfers a handful of airplanes to SkyWest Airlines. SkyWest pilots get to continue their rightful 2 year upgrades while ExpressJet at best turns into the next Eagle and at worst turns into the next ACA.

And this is somehow a good thing? Because they were "saved"?

 

[Nightrain_080]

There will be no deal approved by the XJT pilots.

Jerry Atkin and Larry Kellner want XJT pilot blo jobs.

I would rather struggle to the end, furlough on our own accord if needed, cut branded (happening every month), expand charter, and wait for Mesa to die to pick up what scraps we can with our redeployed branded planes and the next batch of airplanes Continental will refuse back to us.

I thought we were going to hear a serious business proposal to maybe give XJT a better future. Well try again. Branded gone (fair enough). LAX Delta gone to Skywest (why? DAL likes the product XJT is supplying there, otherwise they could have had SKW do it in the first place). They would get control of the CAL flying and will use the new XJT subsidiary (gee thanks) until CAL lets their scope go, whereupon XJT pilots will be screwed anyway when SKW put Skywest Airlines 70-90 seaters on the CAL flying. They didn't even mention our charter cash cow which is set to double this year.

What a deal!

Jerry A$$h0le.

Your name says it all. Big shot! LMAO

 

[AWACoff]

, whereupon XJT pilots will be screwed anyway when SKW put Skywest Airlines 70-90 seaters on the CAL flying. .

Any jet flying larger than 50 seats will be flown by Continental pilots only. Our scope is only going to become stronger with our current negotiations. This is good news for people looking to move on from their current jobs.

 

[Erlanger]

So let me get this straight.

SkyWest, Inc. buys ExpressJet, immediately furloughs 700 pilots, then transfers a handful of airplanes to SkyWest Airlines. SkyWest pilots get to continue their rightful 2 year upgrades while ExpressJet at best turns into the next Eagle and at worst turns into the next ACA.

And this is somehow a good thing? Because they were "saved"?

Please stop with the scare tactics. You're just flaming away here with this nonsence. You sound so stupid and ignorant.

 

[sweptback]

Please stop with the scare tactics. You're just flaming away here with this nonsence. You sound so stupid and ignorant.

Please enlighten me, oh wise one. How exactly am I stupid and ignorant? Will the above statement not happen? Is that not Jerry's plan?

 

[Jon Rivoli]

It would seem perhaps that if a deal isn't done soon that on June 30 CAL pulls 51 ERJ's from XJet which Skywest may already have a CPA in place for. 51 ERJ's to Skywest and the negotiations continue.
Sign off on the deal now and keep the planes or lose them and keep negotiating. Now that's hardball.

 

[Future Furlough]

It would seem perhaps that if a deal isn't done soon that on June 30 CAL pulls 51 ERJ's from XJet which Skywest may already have a CPA in place for. 51 ERJ's to Skywest and the negotiations continue.
Sign off on the deal now and keep the planes or lose them and keep negotiating. Now that's hardball.

Reread the letters (SEC.gov). Skywest has a CPA if they buy ExpressJet. CAL will remove 51 airframes in Dec 2009 and let the current CPA expire in 2012 unless ExpressJet gives CAL comparable rates to what Skywest just signed. The gotcha is that the latter does not look likely.

 

[BoilerUP]

I can't believe SKWers are bashing the XJTers here that are concerned for their jobs. This transaction is NOTHING like the one that acquired ASA.

I don't work for either company, but under the terms that have been discussed here there is no way I would vote to immediately sacrifice the bottom quarter of my seniority list just so flying can be transferred away every 12 months to the lower-cost "saviors" at Skywest.

Without a rock-solid agreement from SGU ensuring XJT pilots would fly the 205 airframes currently in CAL colors for the length of the contract term, I'd personally give concessions to XJT management so they can lower their margin to maintain those airframes with CAL.

Any SKW pilot licking their chops for IAH, EWR or CLE domiciles and/or the upgrades that would follow an XJT furlough should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

 

[jdog78]

Good post, Boiler.
I would personally like to know how SkyWest intends to make good on their lowball CPA. Through economies of scale?? I think not. By replacing XJT pilots with lower paid SkyWest pilots or, god forbid, a B-scale contract? That sounds more like it.

 

[Turtlesfly]

Any SKW pilot licking their chops for IAH, EWR or CLE domiciles ....

hahahaha. That was funny - since we love our base cities so much.

 

[Whydoitry]

Any jet flying larger than 50 seats will be flown by Continental pilots only. Our scope is only going to become stronger with our current negotiations. This is good news for people looking to move on from their current jobs.

Apparently CAL mgt has different ideas as they have language in a new CPA related to larger aircraft. Good luck with negotiations, it's worked out well for XJT. (That's sarcasm)

 

[cfi_greg]

LAX Delta gone to Skywest (why? DAL likes the product XJT is supplying there, otherwise they could have had SKW do it in the first place).

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They would if they could but Skywest had a scope claus with United couldnt fly for two airlines out of the same hub. Thats why ASA did it. Skywest is just taking it back.

 

[Baronman]

Apparently CAL mgt has different ideas as they have language in a new CPA related to larger aircraft. Good luck with negotiations, it's worked out well for XJT. (That's sarcasm)

Larger regional aircraft for CAL? Ummmm...read a couple posts above but as far as I can tell, the CAL MEC has no intention of giving up their jobs (scope) so that a regional can fly big RJs around.

I love how SKWY included that if XJT gets larger aircraft, they could be flown by us.....Gee Thanks! Could I get the $5 override too???? Gimme a break.

You think the money SKWY brings in off of those monster-RJs is only worth whatever little override they give the pilots? It's sad to see guys satisfied with that.

My Vote- HELL NO.