Atlas going Teamsters

[cfire]

I see that there is a push to go Teamsters at Atlas now.

Also they are still doing that preferential hiring for guys from ATA and Kittyhawk.

http://atlasforteamsters.com

 

[spitfire1500]

I see that there is a push to go Teamsters at Atlas now.

Also they are still doing that preferential hiring for guys from ATA and Kittyhawk.

http://atlasforteamsters.com

Good, hopefully they'll get all those guys back to work.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Does Atlas fly international?

Are there IBT offices globally?

www.iflalpa.org

 

[Cargoav8or]

"Does Atlas fly international?"

I think a small percentage, probably around 99.9%.

 

[unwashed]

Does Atlas fly international?

Are there IBT offices globally?

www.iflalpa.org

Yes, and I don't know, but K4 is IBT and we fly out of CONUS. IBT has about 1.2 plus million members to lean on if things get bad, plus the 32 in Slugger they gave me when I signed up.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Netjet pilots want to shuck IBT

 

[#%&@$!]

Having been both ALPA and IBT my opinion is that IBT negotiates better contracts and ALPA provides better pilot representation when needed. IBT's dues assesment are 25% higher. I think an ALPA carrier would do better in a seniority merge since they represent the most pilot groups. ALPA, IBT, and In-house union all have prosand cons, but they are all better than nothing, and pilot unity goes a lot farther than picking the "correct" union. The energy spent decertifying and switching can be much better spent.

 

[sgu]

The energy spent in this instance will pay for itself in the long run, we are not welcome at ALPA and that is a fact. The sooner we join the TEAMSTERS the better.

 

[#%&@$!]

Of course there are always exceptions and I admit I am not familiar with the situation at Atlas. Sorry if I came across as too righteous. I'd be intersted to know reasons for the divorce if you want to post or pm. Welcome to the IBT!

 

[mushroom]

IBT's dues assesment are 25% higher.

Our IBT dues are 1.56% or so of our monthly guarantee. I seem to remember when I was with an ALPA carrier that the rate then was closer to 2%. How are the IBT's dues higher?

 

[sgu]

Of course there are always exceptions and I admit I am not familiar with the situation at Atlas. Sorry if I came across as too righteous. I'd be intersted to know reasons for the divorce if you want to post or pm. Welcome to the IBT!

All the answers are at www.atlasforteamsters.com

 

[dakotaHC8]

ALPA is hands down the best pilot union around... If you happen to be in the top third of Delta or United.

Otherwise you get what turns out to be a really expensive magazine subscription.

 

[tjsatter]

Airline management, in general, HATES Unions. But they love the Teamsters. Hoffa Junior is a pussie and management lacky and backs union-busting management tactics.

tj

 

[Junkflyer]

Teamsters suck. Looking at Atlas's payscale it seems they are way above the Teamster freight dogs.

 

[cfire]

I think a lot of what is happening is that ALPA has gotten back on the ACMI is the enemy theme and have cut all expenditures and representation for Atlas. Considering that Prater has been unable to "taking it back" from airline management, he has decided to take it from within. Especially with US Air leaving ALPA for their own in house union. Rumors are abound with Continental pushing to leave also.

There is a difference between supporting an ALPA council and just representing them. We are barely getting the latter.

ALPA only just recently put Atlas Air on the ALPA letter head with all the other ALPA councils. Only after a push for teamsters and someone pointing it out in the normal course of rhetoric.

Even more salt into the wounds is the recent top priority of the NWA - Delta merger when Atlas - Polar has been trying to merge for the last almost three years. Both with contracts overdue by years. Of course that is due to ALPA supporting Polar (170 guys) vs Atlas (700 guys) to log jamb the merger process.

 

[hvydriver]

FWIW, we've gotten pretty good support at Astar from National. Perfect? Nah. But not worth leaving over.

 

[learjockey1]

FWIW, we've gotten pretty good support at Astar from National. Perfect? Nah. But not worth leaving over.

Heavy, The 9 year SO may quibble with you on that point. What they managed to do to our scope vis-a-vis Ross Aviation turned a career into just a job at Astar.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

All the answers are at www.atlasforteamsters.com

Too many USAPA references...

In addition, it looks like Allen doesn't like Prater.... is that at reason to switch brands?

 

[pipejockey]

I see that there is a push to go Teamsters at Atlas now.

Also they are still doing that preferential hiring for guys from ATA and Kittyhawk.

http://atlasforteamsters.com

Why wouldn't a company prefer to hire pilots that WANT to work there instead of those that are just applying because they are out of work? I'm not being cruel just realistic.

 

[cfire]

The preferential hiring was a union to management coordination thing to get union brothers hired. Kind of what unionism is all about I thought. Helping your fellow union brother/sister.

Unfortunately, I have not seen any of that except at the Atlas council. Everywhere else, it seems union councils don't make any effort for other councils memberships when hard times hit. Kind of describes the overall problem in our industry. Too much "I've got mine, pull the ladder up!"


As to the USAPA references. You are probably talking about the videos. I image the same issues NMB, Voting, internal ALPA issues, and RLA are almost exactly the same for the Atlas to Teamsters move as it was for the US Air to USAPA move. Probably they just didn't want to spend time duplicating the same work answering the same questions and snagged USAPA's stuff.