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Delta, NWA Eye Tuesday Possible Merger Announcement

ATLANTA (AP) ―
Delta and Northwest could announce a combination as early as Tuesday that would create the world's biggest airline, but pilot contract issues still loomed and there was no guarantee the deal would move ahead, three people familiar with the talks said Sunday.
The people, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation, said officials were mobilizing for an announcement provided the boards of the two companies give final approval to a deal.
The boards of both companies have been having ongoing merger-related conversations. They could meet Monday to discuss moving ahead with a deal, a person familiar with the talks said.
The deal, if announced, could see strong opposition from Northwest pilots.
It was increasingly likely the two airlines would proceed without a prearranged seniority integration agreement between their pilots unions, so the main issue that remained was whether Delta pilots were willing to make changes to their contract to give Delta more flexibility after a combination, one of the people said.
Delta may be willing to give incentives to Delta pilots to make changes to their contract, another person familiar with the talks said.
The changes being sought are related to the scope section in the Delta pilot contract, which in part spells out what planes pilots fly and what routes they fly, people familiar with the talks said.
Any changes to the contract, including financial incentives, would apply to only Delta pilots since their contract only governs that airline's pilots. Northwest pilots have a separate contract.
A memo sent Friday from Delta's pilots union to its members said union leaders were meeting in special session in Atlanta. It didn't say what they were discussing. That meeting continued Sunday, people familiar with the talks said.
Northwest pilot union leaders met separately Sunday in Minnesota.
Afterward, they issued a memo to rank-and-file Northwest pilots saying that they will oppose any merger than does not keep the interests of Northwest pilots "at the forefront of the decision-making process."
The union leaders said any combination must involve "fair and equitable seniority list integration."
The usual approach in airline combinations has been to have pilots work out a joint union contract after a deal is announced. Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines Inc. and Eagan, Minn.-based Northwest Airlines Corp. took a different approach in their talks for months, figuring that if they could obtain full pilot agreements in advance they would reap the benefit of a combined airline much sooner.
With that in mind, pilots were in line to get raises and equity in the combined company. But the two groups couldn't agree on seniority, which determines who flies more desirable aircraft and routes.
Now, the rising cost of oil has put all airlines under intense financial pressure. Since the talks began, Delta and Northwest have announced plans to reduce capacity this year, and Delta has announced plans to eliminate 2,000 jobs

http://wcco.com/local/nwa.delta.announcement.2.698752.html
 
Please tell me you guys learned from your previous mistakes in regards to this? There is not enough money that they will offer thats worth selling your JOBS!! WTF
 
Please tell me you guys learned from your previous mistakes in regards to this? There is not enough money that they will offer thats worth selling your JOBS!! WTF

Wasn't this already covered 10 times? Merger/Fragmentation/Scope language are all in Section 1 of the contract. This has nothing to do with more/larger RJs or RJs at all.
 
Wasn't this already covered 10 times. Merger/ Fragmentation/Scope language are all in Section 1 of the contract. This has nothing to do with more/larger RJs or RJs at all.

then what is the article talking about? So your saying DALALPA isnt going to sell out their junior pilots job protection by relaxing scope just so they can get a little more money? I hope thats not the case.
 
I agree 100%. In fact, it's time to get some of the ones we've already lost back.


Again I completely agree. Lets hope thats whats on DALALPAs mind and relaxing of scope is just media bs. I would certainly hope DALALPA knows better now and certainly wouldn't make the same mistake twice.
 
Again I completely agree. Lets hope thats whats on DALALPAs mind and relaxing of scope is just media bs. I would certainly hope DALALPA knows better now and certainly wouldn't make the same mistake twice.

Like many have said, Delta is likely going to relax parts of their scope clause. But the permitted types of outsourced planes is about one half one percent of their entire scope clause. The vast majority of the scope section has to do with issues other than the number and size of RJ's, etc. So the article is correct in saying they are considering relaxing scope, but that does not mean RJ's or the flightinfo definition of scope necessarilly. I agree that line needs to move back to the mainline (anything over 50 seats).
 
iron city, though I agree with you the perspective cat is out of the bag.
I think we could consider it a major victory if we limited it to 70 seats or just got them to stop putting 76 seaters on DCI side. But back to the 50 seat is too much of pipe dream. With the 50 going to pasture they will not allow it. 70-76 seat jets is what will be flying at DCI for the next 10 t o15 years.
 

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