Spirit + ERAU?

[Captain4242]

Is it true that Spirit has hired 6 kids right out of Embry-Riddle to the copilot's seat? Good for these guys, but c'mon? How can you teach an Airbus, let alone the IFR environment to a 150 hour guy? And are they going to get it?
I'm interested in how the senior guys at Spirit feel about this, and if it works.

 

[Pilot124]

They will be telling the captain all about the airplane and how to fly it all in the same breath.

 

[livin'thesim]

With all the paid-their-dues guys headed for the street, this just seems wrong. I don't think it's bad to expect recent college grads to wait for the reward a little.

 

[siucavflight]

Those guys will be fine, most of them know more then the Captain already.

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

" Captain, you cant take off, we havn't done a runup yet "

 

[Jmoney]

Know more?

Those guys will be fine, most of them know more then the Captain already.

Yep-

Maybe they know more about ten ERAU planes following the one guy who studied all over Florida on every cross-country flight like some retarded caravan.

Maybe they know more about filming remakes of scenes from "Top Gun" and putting them on youtube. (Just search youtube for "Embry-Riddle Top Gun" if you haven't seen it yet.....Saddest video in history!)

Maybe they know more about having awesome "keggers" and "strip poker" parties with no members of the opposite sex around.

They almost certainly know more about Mommy and Daddy signing over a couple hundred grand for an inferior education which leaves them only marginally prepared to handle a 172 and completely unprepared to handle life.....

-I'll bet that arrogant azsclown General Lee was Valedictorian!

-So Congrats-ERAU folks, you know far more than many of us!!

-Thank God!

 

[Flybywire44]

Its so hard for pilots to be "well wishers."

 

[Jmoney]

Two Words.....

This sums up ERAU for me:

Two simple words-

'Supervised Solo"

This is what they now do on flights which are supposed to be flown "solo." This means they have an instructor who rides along not to teach, but to try and keep the "solo" pilot from killing himself/herself. Also an attempt to eliminate those "cravans" of ten ERAU aircraft following one another on cross-country flights that we used to see all the time.

Based on this "supervised solo" concept, it is now possible for an esteemed ERAU grad (who knows more than the Captain) to make it to an airline without ever actually operating an aircraft alone-for those among us who are real pilots-this is known as "solo."

-Absolutely unacceptable!

 

[eyeamthechosen1]

Amazing, I just wasted my time building all those hours should have applied to Spirit after my commerical sign off

 

[Cpt Oveur]

This sums up ERAU for me:

Two simple words-

'Supervised Solo"

This is what they now do on flights which are supposed to be flown "solo." This means they have an instructor who rides along not to teach, but to try and keep the "solo" pilot from killing himself/herself. Also an attempt to eliminate those "cravans" of ten ERAU aircraft following one another on cross-country flights that we used to see all the time.

Based on this "supervised solo" concept, it is now possible for an esteemed ERAU grad (who knows more than the Captain) to make it to an airline without ever actually operating an aircraft alone-for those among us who are real pilots-this is known as "solo."

-Absolutely unacceptable!

Last I heard a solo was still a solo, even at Riddle.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Its so hard for pilots to be "well wishers."

Because we recognize unfairness when we see it.

 

[flyboyike]

Maybe they know more about filming remakes of scenes from "Top Gun" and putting them on youtube. (Just search youtube for "Embry-Riddle Top Gun" if you haven't seen it yet.....Saddest video in history!)

Oh I dunno, I thought that video was considerably funnier than the epic gay porn flick it was trying to emulate.

 

[Bjammin]

Well, I gotta defend Riddle again.

Of course I can't speak about any other university because I only went to Riddle, but I can tell you that for avaition studies I can't imagine a better place.

I used knowledge from my aeronautical degree on the Cathay interview 12 years after I graduated.

Many things I learned in systems, auto flight, and aeronautics classes I have used to better my understanding of both military and civilian avaition.

I don't like to toot my horn, but I have achieved EVERY aviation goal I have ever strived for from flying fighters to float planes to 747-400's. I owe Embry Riddle for giving me the tools to reach those goals.

Because of my degree I was selected to be a test and evaluator for the EA-18G program at the Boeing factory in St. Louis. That was a high point in my career.

I was a military reservist and had a job while going so don't think we all rely on funny money.

Go to Embry to help with you aviation career, then get better rounded by getting a masters is something else.

BTW - I got laid plenty there. You just have to avoid the "Neo-maxim-zoom-dweby" trap.

 

[Way2Broke]

I know one of the "6 people" and I have to say it couldn't have happened to a better person. I doubt this program will be around much longer with the market for pilots turning the direction of the company again right now. They were very picky about who they picked. They will be FOs for a long long time. Some people get lucky. Don't be pissed because your jealous that it didn't happen to you. Ask yourself this, "If this was offered to me when I was a new pilot would I have taken it." I think most people would answer yes to that question.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

I know one of the "6 people" and I have to say it couldn't have happened to a better person. I doubt this program will be around much longer with the market for pilots turning the direction of the company again right now. They were very picky about who they picked. They will be FOs for a long long time. Some people get lucky. Don't be pissed because your jealous that it didn't happen to you. Ask yourself this, "If this was offered to me when I was a new pilot would I have taken it." I think most people would answer yes to that question.

Well said.

 

[get2flyin]

Well, I gotta defend Riddle again.

Of course I can't speak about any other university because I only went to Riddle, but I can tell you that for avaition studies I can't imagine a better place.

I used knowledge from my aeronautical degree on the Cathay interview 12 years after I graduated.

Many things I learned in systems, auto flight, and aeronautics classes I have used to better my understanding of both military and civilian avaition.

I don't like to toot my horn, but I have achieved EVERY aviation goal I have ever strived for from flying fighters to float planes to 747-400's. I owe Embry Riddle for giving me the tools to reach those goals.

Because of my degree I was selected to be a test and evaluator for the EA-18G program at the Boeing factory in St. Louis. That was a high point in my career.

I was a military reservist and had a job while going so don't think we all rely on funny money.

Go to Embry to help with you aviation career, then get better rounded by getting a masters is something else.

BTW - I got laid plenty there. You just have to avoid the "Neo-maxim-zoom-dweby" trap.

You got laid there? You must have driven a 'Vette or something similar. Just kiddig you, man. I agree. It's an AWESOME education. Certainly worth the money I paid in the early '90s. But do you know it costs nearly 50K/year now(*including tuition, fees, housing, meal plan, and flight courses)? Bridge programs straight into majors, if they really exist (and I hope they don't), are nothing more than admissions tools to attract students who don't know anything about the industry. Sadly, I would think it would cause a backlash within the industry of "he's not setting foot in my cockpit", and probably rightfully so. 200-300 hr wonder-children are dangerous as flight instructors, let alone 121 pilots, even if the Prescott campus has an A320 sim (which I am ashamed to say they do).

 

[GogglesPisano]

Ask yourself this, "If this was offered to me when I was a new pilot would I have taken it." I think most people would answer yes to that question.

That doesn't make it right.

Some people might find $100 on the sidewalk and keep it. It doesn't make it right.

Some airlines hired women and minorities with much lower qualifications than white males. It doesn't make it right.

I have a good friend at Spirit. He tells me the line pilots are furious that they have to subsidize Spirit's hunt for cheap pilots by flight instructing in an Airbus.

That's not right.

 

[climbhappy]

i asked myself and remembered i thought a turbo arrow was hot to handle. a mooney 252 was a rocket. at 250 hrs i wasn't $hit on a stick. still ain't , but pretty soon i'll be asst greenskeeper...i've got that going for me...

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Which is good

 

[suupah]

before you know it the majors will be paying 20k a year to new FO's. They'll get them all day long from erau and other academies.