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Northwest Reworks Plan
For Merger With Delta


[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,Serif]Deal Could Give Pilots
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[FONT=times new roman,times,serif][FONT=times new roman,times,serif]By SUSAN CAREY and PAULO PRADA
March 28, 2008 3:28 p.m.
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Northwest Airlines Corp. executives have proposed that Delta Air Lines Inc. and Northwest proceed with their planned merger, said people familiar with the matter.
But a jump-started deal wouldn't include the terms of a combined pilot labor agreement and the salary enhancements previously foreseen, they said, because the pilots failed to reach agreement on other terms the companies sought to ease the merger.
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Getty Northwest Airlines executives have proposed that Delta and Northwest proceed with their planned merger, but a jump-started deal could give less generous terms to their pilots. While the idea may be unpopular with the pilots, there is nothing to prevent the carriers from taking that course. Delta still is pondering the idea, these people said. But both airlines know that if they are going to proceed, they need to move very quickly so the transaction can be scrutinized before current Justice Department officials leave office at the end of the year when the administration changes.
A Delta spokeswoman declined to confirm whether her company has received a proposal from Northwest to proceed without the support of the pilots. "Our board and senior management will continue to explore strategic options," she said.
The two carriers had an entire deal ready to go in February and required only the final approval of their boards. The terms included a share swap at near market values, with Northwest holders getting a small premium; a $750 million investment by their European marketing partner Air France-KLM SA; and a common pilot labor contract for their combined 11,000 pilots that would give all of them raises, with Northwest's 5,000 aviators getting heftier increases to bring them up to Delta levels.
The combined carrier, which would be the world's largest by traffic, was to keep the Delta name, remain based at Delta's Atlanta headquarters and be run by Richard Anderson, Delta's chief executive officer. Doug Steenland, Northwest's CEO, was expected to take a lesser role as a director or leave the combined enterprise altogether. When the original deal was conceived, the companies didn't foresee layoffs, hub closures or much capacity shrinkage, believing instead that combining would generate a big boost in revenue and some operational efficiencies.
They held off, however, because they wanted their pilots to agree first on a method of building a single seniority list. Seniority is key to pilot career advancement and dictates what types of planes they fly, whether they are captains or first officers, when they get time off and whether they could be furloughed.
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Such agreement isn't required by the pilots' union -- both groups are represented by branches of the Air Line Pilots Association -- or by law in cases of airline mergers. And it's never been done before. But Delta and Northwest figured they could minimize pilot infighting, expedite efficiencies by being able to meld the pilot ranks immediately once the deal was consummated, and win the support of the most powerful employee groups.
The savings generated by that immediate labor integration were to be shared with the pilots in the joint labor contract that was part of the original transaction. The cost to the merged airline, said one individual familiar with the matter, was "significant."
But the two pilot groups couldn't agree on a fair method for integrating their seniority lists. Despite repeated negotiations over many weeks, the discussions hit an impasse earlier this month. The Delta group felt the Northwest pilots were pushing for a system that would jeopardize the seniority and career expectations of Delta pilots. The Northwest group said it was willing to put the issue to a neutral arbitrator, a plan the Delta pilots rejected.
In the past couple of weeks, neither Delta nor Northwest declared the deal formally dead. But their slumping stock prices suggested some investors thought the deal was, which led some investors to press them to move forward without the pilots. At the same time, fuel prices hit historic highs, the economy weakened further and the outlook for the industry took a bearish turn. Delta announced plans to cut 2,000 jobs, ground some aircraft and reduce its domestic capacity. Northwest hinted it may take similar steps.
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Against this backdrop, the merger looks even more compelling, said one person familiar with the matter. Combining would give the two a larger network, lower unit costs and a more efficient business, once integration expenses abated. But the risk is that doing the deal will eat up precious liquidity at a time when all airlines are trying to husband cash in case industry conditions deteriorate further.
Thus Northwest proposed that the two go forward on the basis of their earlier merger agreement, said people familiar with the situation. That would remove from the table the effort to obtain a new pilot agreement before consummation of the deal. Typically, those negotiations don't occur until well after the deal is closed and the pilots have hammered out a seniority list. Earlier assumptions that the two wouldn't close hubs, lay off employees or shrink capacity are no longer certain either, with fuel at current high levels, said one person.
If Delta agrees to proceed with the merger, Mr. Anderson, the CEO, would have some explaining to do to his pilots, having said he wouldn't move forward with a combination without protecting the seniority of Delta's employees.
However, Delta has continued to tell its workers it supports industry consolidation. In a memo to employees last week, Mr. Anderson and Ed Bastian, Delta's president and chief financial officer, said, "While the rise in fuel and the weakening economy present near-term challenges, our long-term view remains that consolidation may be the right course of action."
Write to Susan Carey at [email protected] and Paulo Prada at [email protected]
 
If Delta agrees to proceed with the merger, Mr. Anderson, the CEO, would have some explaining to do to his pilots, having said he wouldn't move forward with a combination without protecting the seniority of Delta's employees.
However, Delta has continued to tell its workers it supports industry consolidation. In a memo to employees last week, Mr. Anderson and Ed Bastian, Delta's president and chief financial officer, said, "While the rise in fuel and the weakening economy present near-term challenges, our long-term view remains that consolidation may be the right course of action."

I hate to say I told you so.......I also hate to predict this; but Delta will now suffer because of their unrealistic and unfair seniority integration stance. Being hard headed never pays next time think twice about having a Marine head up your union. TIC
 
Again, NWA coming back to Delta - begging to dance like the fat girl at the prom....

Well, you NWA guys did a good job of wasting time with unrealistic demands and a hostile negotiating posture and now any beneficial monetary incentives will be gone this time around. The window of opportunity has likely closed due to your reluctance to work together on a realistic plan... Binding arbitration has proven unsuccessful with AWA/USAirways - there is no way Delta pilots will accept that path according to my Delta friends.

Now you can sit back and enjoy the bumpy ride!
 
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I hate to say I told you so.......I also hate to predict this; but Delta will now suffer because of their unrealistic and unfair seniority integration stance.
Then why does nwa keep coming back?
Get a clue max!

Being hard headed never pays next time think twice about having a Marine head up your union. TIC
How about a union leadership with 26 arbitrations in 22 years......
Keep showing your ignorance max. detoilet320 could use a date, you should give him a call!

737
 
WHY do you guys insist on doing nothing but flaming? What good does it do in a discussion board if you dont discuss anything? Get a clue guys, this is why we cant get anywhere in this industry :cool: This is also exactly why every time something goes down in regards to the airlines the mgmt teams can blame it on those "stupid" pilots. :smash:
 
It ain't NWA pilotd coming back - its NWA mgmt coming back. I don't work at NWA but let me tell you: because most of the old geasers over there have a pension they will be leaving at 60...that translates into lots of attrition. Therefore most of my friends over there do NOT want any sort of merger.

Look you have to realize that your Union needs to take into consideration that Richard Anderson may not follow through on his promise and just merge you ala AWA Usairways. And site some bull about Fuel prices etc. That is a very definite possibility and NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN NEGOTIATING.

I'm just giving you objective perspective from outside the two companies. I would try and do a deal and get some wage increases for the both of you to help ease the pain of any merger!!!!!
 
As an outsider looking in, I wonder if anyone on this board (NWA or DAL) actually has the correct information regarding pilot integration. I've seen 10 different scenarios by 8 different people...finger pointing all over the place.

So much anger and animosity between the two groups, yet I don't think anyone has posted a scenario which wasn't picked apart and "debunked" by someone else.

I wish both sides the best (as I have friends at both).
 
737 Plyt you don't make any sense.....???I'm not following you....I recommend some therapy and a good liberal arts education.
 
The only thing that is crystal clear is that Steeland really, really wants his merger-related BONUS. You NWA pilots should be proud...
 
He just wants to punch out. Can't blame him, I would to for that kind of money.

NWA saying this makes me think that DAL management told them something about money and the DC-9's NWA's answer was to take it from the pilots.
Sounds typical.
 
So, are you DAL/NWA guys going to wait until the merger goes through to start denying jumpseats?

My advice, both groups should invest in their own personal 5 gallon buckets of KY. And update the apps if your in the bottom 20%.
 
So, are you DAL/NWA guys going to wait until the merger goes through to start denying jumpseats?

My advice, both groups should invest in their own personal 5 gallon buckets of KY. And update the apps if your in the bottom 20%.[/quote]

And your advice based on your military flying and current desk job? What, you've completed your photocopying for the day and now you are contemplating the future of the legacy carriers? You have ZERO credibility. Thanks for your time.
 
"Basically, unless Delta management has a change a heart, I don't think they're going to do anything without the support of their pilots," said Calyon Securities analyst Ray Neidl.
"It shows that people don't want it to die and they'll keep trying things, but I don't think it puts us any closer."



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
737 Plyt you don't make any sense.....???I'm not following you....I recommend some therapy and a good liberal arts education.

I'm sorry, I don't speak reatardese. Can you please get your caretaker to translate after they're done with your diaper change.........

737
 
So, are you DAL/NWA guys going to wait until the merger goes through to start denying jumpseats?

My advice, both groups should invest in their own personal 5 gallon buckets of KY. And update the apps if your in the bottom 20%.[/quote]

And your advice based on your military flying and current desk job? What, you've completed your photocopying for the day and now you are contemplating the future of the legacy carriers? You have ZERO credibility. Thanks for your time.

Your right. You have all the cred. I have 0. I am in awe of your greatness. By the way, what's an E145? Is that a prop or a jet? What major do you work for?
 
As an outsider looking in, I wonder if anyone on this board (NWA or DAL) actually has the correct information regarding pilot integration. I've seen 10 different scenarios by 8 different people...finger pointing all over the place.

So much anger and animosity between the two groups, yet I don't think anyone has posted a scenario which wasn't picked apart and "debunked" by someone else.

I wish both sides the best (as I have friends at both).

thats EXACTLY what i have been saying. Flaming one another is unproductive and is very juvenile. Bottom line is no matter how much each of us "knows" the real deal, we dont. The idea is to be realistic and realize that just because you heard one side doesnt mean its true. Wake up guys
 
And your advice based on your military flying and current desk job? What, you've completed your photocopying for the day and now you are contemplating the future of the legacy carriers? You have ZERO credibility. Thanks for your time.

Let's not forget about his 20 years of military....eh em.....flying.......and a whopping 1800+ hours.
Yeah, he's a tanker pilot:laugh:!
That must be what they're calling the copy machine in the barracks these days!

Hey Private, isn't it time for another cup of coffee for the colonel!:laugh:

737
 
The only thing that is crystal clear is that Steeland really, really wants his merger-related BONUS. You NWA pilots should be proud...

Yeah because we pilots have everything to do with our CEO! I hope you realize how stupid that sounds, get a clue :rolleyes:

Do you even work for either carrier? I know i say flames are pointless but you earned some "correction" ;)
 
Let's not forget about his 20 years of military....eh em.....flying.......and a whopping 1800+ hours.
Yeah, he's a tanker pilot:laugh:!
That must be what they're calling the copy machine in the barracks these days!

Hey Private, isn't it time for another cup of coffee for the colonel!:laugh:

737

There's no barracks in the Air Force dumb dumb.

By the way, I'm probably well over 1800 hours if I get a multiplier.
 
Bottom line is that Delta/NWA will not get a merger passed if Delta and/or NWA pilots are marching publicly and in the papers with government officials at their side against it. Anderson knows this and wont damage his somewhat good will with the pilots to force a merger that will get stopped in its tracks anyway.

I can tell you there will not be any Delta pilot support without at least the same incentives offer as was put up before along with the percentage ratio they previously proposed. The NWA guys have a definate track record of infighting. Unless something changes i dont see how this is going to work.
 
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Then why does nwa keep coming back?
Get a clue max!


How about a union leadership with 26 arbitrations in 22 years......
Keep showing your ignorance max. detoilet320 could use a date, you should give him a call!

737


What in the Frac are you talking about.......Please and I mean please get some therapy.....When we find out who you are we will put all call in to the feds no one and I mean no one so weird and out of touch should be flying.
 
Sedona,

It doesn't have to work to go through. Ask the East/West guys. I guess you guys will be the North/South guys now. Someone's gonna get the screwgie.
 
Sedona,

It doesn't have to work to go through. Ask the East/West guys. I guess you guys will be the North/South guys now. Someone's gonna get the screwgie.

You are wrong. The Delta pilots can block a deal and have already demonstrated this with the previous US Airways attempt. The fact Doug from AWA was able to buy/combine with US Airways who was in dire straits is not the same.
 
Relax folks, all I've seen recently is that NWA management wants a merger with DAL. No surprise there.

I'm not too sure at this point if DAL is that interested in this merger. Consolidation , maybe, but maybe not with NWA.

Regardless, the transaction framework agreement we had two months ago is dead.
 
"Basically, unless Delta management has a change a heart, I don't think they're going to do anything without the support of their pilots," said Calyon Securities analyst Ray Neidl.
"It shows that people don't want it to die and they'll keep trying things, but I don't think it puts us any closer."



Bye Bye--General Lee



Yeah keep thinking that you have the control of the company and that management gives two @#%$ about what the pilots think in all of this. Get ready for a big fat @#%$burger with everything on it.
 
You are wrong. The Delta pilots can block a deal and have already demonstrated this with the previous US Airways attempt. The fact Doug from AWA was able to buy/combine with US Airways who was in dire straits is not the same.

Last time your mgt was on board with "Keep Delta my Delta." Throw in some hedge fund folks and some cash in Anderson's direction, and it's a done deal. It would be foolish to think that Anderson wouldn't promote a merger if he could personally profit from it. It's in he CEO DNA.
 
Your right. You have all the cred. I have 0. I am in awe of your greatness. By the way, what's an E145? Is that a prop or a jet? What major do you work for?

So now you answer questions with questions - good job. I actually work in the airline business - you DON'T. Get it? The military ain't the airline business. You are a desk jockey. Plus, your petty remarks and doomy speculation isn't that entertaining.

Again, can you give us any facts to back up your bottom 20% estimation? Or, are you just being an arsehole?
 
So now you answer questions with questions - good job. I actually work in the airline business - you DON'T. Get it? The military ain't the airline business. You are a desk jockey. Plus, your petty remarks and doomy speculation isn't that entertaining.

Again, can you give us any facts to back up your bottom 20% estimation? Or, are you just being an arsehole?

Recession + $110/bbl oil + consolidation = cutbacks (i.e. furloughs). The whole point is to try and drive up margins isn't it? Why combine and keep the same number of flights?

I'm sure that whatever company you work for that flies whatever an E145 is is probably one of the first to get nasty in this climate. That is, unless they cut your pay, which judging by the pay rates at airlinepilotcentral, would be like putting a kid from Darfur on a diet.
 
One thing is for certain, Its a good thing decisions aren't made from these stupid boards. You all sound like a bunch of whiny little girls. Its getting pretty embarrassing, seriously. No wonder this career field is in its current state. Could you imagine if we actually had a solid ALPA pilot group instead of every man for themselves? Again WAKE UP , things need to change.:bomb:
 

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