FLASH, This just in,...NWA and DAL pilots

[737 Pylt]

Anderson is very proactive, he has no choice. Another trip thru BK is not going to be succesful (Liquidation likely).

Keep showing how stupid you are, at least you're not dissapointing!

The ship is filling with water, he has no choice.

No more so than that little pisshead of a brain!
Please go back to midwest chucky! I realize that with the possibility of a nwa/dal merger you're nervous, being an FNG!

737

 

[jester757]

Otherwise Agree.:beer:

That forcast is based on our model as of today...not what mgmt is putting out in the very near future.The nines were going to come to ATL....I know that for sure. Now who knows?DAL is still running classes and will be doing so unitl early May. On hold after that.

 

[Superpilot92]

That forcast is based on our model as of today...not what mgmt is putting out in the very near future.The nines were going to come to ATL....I know that for sure. Now who knows?DAL is still running classes and will be doing so unitl early May. On hold after that.

Thats great news, NWA is running classes through July the rest of the people hired supposedly are in a pool. Either way this goes down both companies should be in decent positions. Good luck

 

[IronCityBlue]

Iron City:

I think the likely scenario that somewhere in between 0 and 15 MD88's get sold. The 767-400 rumor was not confirmed, but if the prices on the 767-400 are not right, the price on a 777 might be better.

It bothers me that there is such a gap between the 76 seat RJ and the 142 seat MD88, with fewer 88's the pressure will be even greater to outsource mainline flying.

The mainline guys really need to look at the inevitable re-fleeting of the 100 to 150 seat jet market. For a whole host of reasons the MD88 (or DC9 or 31* Airbus product) are going to be the loser and those jobs will go the way of the 737-200 positions.

Agree with everything except the implication that all narrowbody flying is in danger. It is not, unless it is sold for a cookie. I think priority number 1 for every upcoming contract should be to recapture any jet over 50 seats. That is more important than hourly rate raises, night overrides, per diem bumps and rigs. If the flying is gone, the rest of the contract doesn't mean anything. The more flying you outsource, the more pressure there is to outsource. I am against the notion of any kind of a B scale, but if the only way to get the 51+ seaters back on the mainline seniority lists is market based pay and work rule side letters, it has to be done. B scales are bad. Outsourcing is worse.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Both sides hooked-up today. DAL wants to re-engage.

The talks on Thursday and Friday didn't get anything done, but the next meeting should.

 

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DAL pilots, or management?

 

[Occam's Razor]

I don't have a clue what the management drones are up too.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Occam:

You could be correct, but politically I can not find it to be a credible report given other known facts. If true, the USAPA spilt is going to look like a Girl Scout Bake Sale in comparison.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Agree with everything except the implication that all narrowbody flying is in danger. It is not, unless it is sold for a cookie. I think priority number 1 for every upcoming contract should be to recapture any jet over 50 seats. That is more important than hourly rate raises, night overrides, per diem bumps and rigs. If the flying is gone, the rest of the contract doesn't mean anything. The more flying you outsource, the more pressure there is to outsource. I am against the notion of any kind of a B scale, but if the only way to get the 51+ seaters back on the mainline seniority lists is market based pay and work rule side letters, it has to be done. B scales are bad. Outsourcing is worse.

Translation: We mainline pilots will undercut the industry leading regional rates to "recapture" the flying.....Thanks "brother".......

Once again....this union is a joke....This is going to get ugly....

 

[Superpilot92]

Occam:

You could be correct, but politically I can not find it to be a credible report given other known facts. If true, the USAPA spilt is going to look like a Girl Scout Bake Sale in comparison .

:bomb: :angryfire :uzi:

 

[tomgoodman]

New pressure applied?

Perhaps management recently showed the MECs (in confidence), a juicy new carrot and/or a huge new stick. Could that have changed the political situation?

 

[Superpilot92]

Translation: We mainline pilots will undercut the industry leading regional rates to "recapture" the flying.....Thanks "brother".......

Once again....this union is a joke....This is going to get ugly....

Is that kinda on par with being the smartest kid on the short bus? Protection for Mainline jobs is better for the industry as a whole no matter how much you justify staying at the regionals. You made your decision based on whats best for you and thats honorable but outsourcing mainline flying is bad for the industry and pay in general.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Is that kinda on par with being the smartest kid on the short bus?

.....well the "smartest kids on the short bus" are making pretty good coin considering the industry....130K at the top end of the "short bus".....The mainline folks seem ready to undercut that to protect their jobs.....I guess there are whores at every level.......

 

[Superpilot92]

.....well the "smartest kids on the short bus" are making pretty good coin considering the industry....130K at the top end of the "short bus".....The mainline folks seem ready to undercut that to protect their jobs.....I guess there are whores at every level.......

Do you realize how stupid that sounds? The majors have been undercut by the regionals for years. You, Me and everyone at the regionals have undercut the majors. The kicker is that the fault for that happening falls onto the pilots at the major carriers that let the cat out of the bag with allowing the jets to go to the regionals in the first place. The point i am making is we need to stop it and get the cat back in the bag. You may be making decent money now but what about your FO's are they making good money? How long did it take you to get to the point of making decent money? I was a CA at a "good" regional and i didnt make above 80k. So you either have been with your company a very long time, or you are a check airman with a pay overide that works ALOT. Or your full of shat but i will give you the benefit of the doubt for discussion purposes. Outsourcing the flying does nothing but divide us as pilots and that is what drives down the pay.

 

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Perhaps management recently showed the MECs (in confidence), a juicy new carrot and/or a huge new stick. Could that have changed the political situation?

Perhaps within the MEC, but not at the line pilot level.

A course reversal, regardless of sound logic and reason, would destroy credibility and trust. Already there was a halfway organized run on the MEC. Take the goodies off the table, along with job protections and the fear of fleet reductions and it is a highly undesireable position for any ALPA politician. A very quick way to be outside the circle of trust.

We don't know if Occam's bomb is real, a Hollywood prop, or wishful thinking on the part of the NWA MEC.

Both sides are pretty well painted in a corner.

Now management on the other hand.... although Occam says this is a MEC thing.... hmm, still need a lot more information....