AirTran cancelling classes

[flygirlqt]

I guess we should all consult with you before making any decisions in life. Thanks

LOL! But you would have to disregard his choice of pft at Gulfstream.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Thank all the NY d0uchbags for Hillary!!!!!

Only a Yankee would vote for a carpet bagger like her.

Don't blame all Democrats -- I'm voting for my favorite one ... John McCain!

 

[FDJ2]

Last summer, I had a 17 year Delta 767-300 International FO on my jumpseat. He said he could have been a very junior reserve MD-80 Captain in New York but didn't want it. 17 years seniority got him a decent quality of life, but only making about $9,000 a month. Our 10 year captain who left for Delta (who was living in base with 16+ days off a month) could easily pull $13,000 a month and even more if he wanted it (not including the $1400 a month to his "B" fund).

I am not sure I am following your logic but I think the $13,000 a month at 10 years is much better than $9,000 at 17 years for equivalent quality of life.

Folks have different bidding priorities. Some prefer flying international and being senior in their category, others are willing to give up some QOL for compensation. Everyone makes their own judgment. A 17 year DAL pilot can hold 767 ER Captain in NYC and make more than any Airtran pilot, obviously this guy preferred the QOL and trips he was getting as a senior 767ER F/O. To each his own.

I don't know what was on the mind of this 10 year Airtran pilot and most likely no one else here does either.

Perhaps his family is from SLC, perhaps his idea of a rewarding career involves international long haul flying, perhaps he saw that there is more upside long term potential at DAL, maybe he just wanted a change. Everyone is different.

 

[flygirlqt]

Only a Yankee would vote for a carpet bagger like her.
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You meant to say muncher right?

 

[Andy]

A little over sensitive, don't you think? I wasn't attacking the guy, just saying that I think it's a mistake. I've said the same thing to a couple of copilots I know that made the same decision. I just don't think it's a wise move.

Does anyone else expect PCL to jump ship from AirTran and onto an international major once he decides that domestic flying no longer floats his boat and he wants to use his passport for something other than jumpseating?

My goal in life has been to be an international bunkie and doze for dollars. I don't care if a tranny cap'n makes more money than me; it ain't all about the money. I'd rather hardly work for a little less than work hard for a few extra bucks. That, and my ego doesn't revolve around a fourth stripe. Besides, I've already got more than 1000 bad landings in my logbook - how many more bad landings does one need?

 

[FDJ2]

It's your union, not the union. TW

Excellent, well said.

 

[curtis46]

Did you buy a share of stock and are you going to the shareholder's meeting?

Free bus ride with your stock certificate...

thank you,you beat me to it.

 

[Erndogg]

Is Air Tran reducing flights?? If so how many A/C are they parking??

 

[Lear70]

Is Air Tran reducing flights??

No.

If so how many A/C are they parking??

None.

They're actually still growing. Taking deliveries of several more aircraft this year. Just not as many as previously planned.

That, along with slowing attrition because the other majors stopped hiring, means we don't need as many new-hires as previously planned.

 

[El Pobre]

Thank-you APAAD and ALPA

 

[AV80R]

... They're actually still growing. Taking deliveries of several more aircraft this year. Just not as many as previously planned.

That, along with slowing attrition because the other majors stopped hiring, means we don't need as many new-hires as previously planned.

You forgot to mention the age 65 rule. I'd imagine people simply not retiring is much more detrimental to hiring than the lack of attrition to the majors…

 

[Lear70]

Yeah, there's that too, although as airlines go, last time I looked, there weren't that many slated to retire at age 60 over the next 5-10 years at airTran; we were one of the least affected by the change.

There's probably more than one of those who planned accordingly and would like to bail early... it's not that significant. Unless, of course, you're right on the cusp of upgrading and don't for an extra 6 months because of one of those age 60+ folks.

 

[maxblast72]

You forgot to mention the age 65 rule. I'd imagine people simply not retiring is much more detrimental to hiring than the lack of attrition to the majors…

Actually, we were going to lose less than 15 pilots to retirement in 2008. Our attrition rate has been running about 100-150 a year. So the slowing of attrition (due to legacy's reduction in hiring) is actually a bigger cause in the reduction of Airtran's need for newhires.

No use hiring and upgrading alot of guys in the summer that will become line qualified around labor day. If fuel prices stay where they are today, I am sure our fall schedule reduction (ie SEP-OCT total block hours) will be significant just like our schedule reduction for the first 6 weeks of 2008.

 

[relief tube]

from 20% growth.....to this.

guess that's what happens when you grow twice as much as the next closest guy, who also happens to be growing too much too.

 

[Quimby]

A little over sensitive, don't you think? I wasn't attacking the guy, just saying that I think it's a mistake. I've said the same thing to a couple of copilots I know that made the same decision. I just don't think it's a wise move.

why do you even care? it's his life & you moved up.

 

[PCL_128]

Does anyone else expect PCL to jump ship from AirTran and onto an international major once he decides that domestic flying no longer floats his boat and he wants to use his passport for something other than jumpseating?

Not a very good bet, Andy.

 

[Superpilot92]

You forgot to mention the age 65 rule. I'd imagine people simply not retiring is much more detrimental to hiring than the lack of attrition to the majors…

They must really have issues to want to stay 5 more years instead of spending that time with the 6th wife . Freaking Pitiful
FLY TILL YOU DIE!! sounds nice uke:

 

[maxblast72]

from 20% growth.....to this.

guess that's what happens when you grow twice as much as the next closest guy, who also happens to be growing too much too.

I think we are still going to do 6-8% ASM growth this year. Still not bad considering the business environment out there. Our management are not idiots when it comes to making a buck (which is what they are paid to do). We have been adding 10 airplanes a year profitably for the last 8 years. This is just a little tweak in the plan to ensure 2008 is our 9th profitable year in a row.

 

[Thunderchief]

why do you even care? it's his life & you moved up.

That's right, I tell everyone senior to me at ATran that flying big jets is the best job ever!! Delta is hiring, go go GO!! WHILE SUPPLLIES LAST, CALL NOW AND RECEIVE A FREE DELTA HAT AND BOOK ON HOW TO ASK FOR WIND CHECKS...

sorry, off my meds

TC

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

That's right, I tell everyone senior to me at ATran that flying big jets is the best job ever!! Delta is hiring, go go GO!! WHILE SUPPLLIES LAST, CALL NOW AND RECEIVE A FREE DELTA HAT AND BOOK ON HOW TO ASK FOR WIND CHECKS...

sorry, off my meds

TC

Thats funny I do same. Run dont walk you dont want to miss the boat.:laugh: