Our "Team" leader out to lunch

[shanes123]

What needs to be done is this.whoever went to the Lengths to call the FAA and Sh*tfingers PR people now need to go to AIN and have them do a article on his lies. Then they need to take all the info to HIG main office. If HIG does nothing and sweeps it under the rug than it is very clear that its business as usual at FLOPS and all remaining FLOPS pilots need to get out!! If HIG takes action and removes the Idiots they bought from RTA. Then there might be a glimmer of hope for FLOPS. Assuming the brand name has been mutilated beyond repair..Good Luck

 

[netjetwife]

On the surface that sounds right, but there is the matter of unintended consequences so moves have to be well thought out in advance. The contract team for the Options pilots are experienced and know how to press the cause without going too far. They also understand strategy and timing. I think you can safely leave it to them to decide how best to use the info. The Options pilots just need to stick together and follow your leaders' advice. Keep the faith that your justified cause will prevail in the end. It will because it is based on the truth that Options pilots are being exploited. The FLOPS can't deny that they are paying the Options pilots LESS than the going rate for their skills.

In the meantime, spread the word among your fellow pilots that the CEO is a proven liar and no one should believe a word he says --in speech or text. One who lies just to make himself look good wouldn't hesitate a moment before lying to pilots seeking a contract. Experts in deception teach that those with the most to lose are the most motivated to lie. MS has been dragging the company down and his job may very well be on the line--again. He'll fling FUD left and right if he thinks it will help him keep his CEO salary and all that goes with the position. When he asks the pilots for favors they should give him the same consideration he has shown to them---NONE!

Options pilots hold the moral high ground. A liar dragging down the company should be kicked loose.

 

[WabiSabi]

There isn't anything to respond to...

Translation; "I'm dying to respond but I have used up all of my hackneyed and canned anti union propaganda that any response will be even more ridiculous than my past posts.

B19. You have knowingly been defending liars and as soon as there was any evidence thereof presented, you turned tail and ran. Where is your brainless management is infallible attitude now?

Mikey and his cronies would be getting away with much more in terms of illegal and unsafe operations had it not been for the IBT 1108. This is a fact that you have yet to dispute because you can't. However, you continue with your claims that management is on the forefront of safety and that the union is useless yet you refuse to address the issues point by point. Instead, you just reply with your trite unionlies.org web links.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Send it to me

What needs to be done is this.whoever went to the Lengths to call the FAA and Sh*tfingers PR people now need to go to AIN and have them do a article on his lies. Then they need to take all the info to HIG main office. If HIG does nothing and sweeps it under the rug than it is very clear that its business as usual at FLOPS and all remaining FLOPS pilots need to get out!! If HIG takes action and removes the Idiots they bought from RTA. Then there might be a glimmer of hope for FLOPS. Assuming the brand name has been mutilated beyond repair..Good Luck

I am collecting and documenting information on the out right lies, inaccurate statements, and distortions from Sh!tfinger that will be put into play. If you are aware of any of this type of information please PM it to me. I will get it to the right person.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Translation; "I'm dying to respond but I have used up all of my hackneyed and canned anti union propaganda that any response will be even more ridiculous than my past posts.
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The real translation is "I was outed as only obsessing over and posting on FLOPS threads, and everyone knows who I am....so now I am posting on NetJets threads because people are so stupid they won't see through that after all this time."

 

[B19 Flyer]

Translation; "I'm dying to respond but I have used up all of my hackneyed and canned anti union propaganda that any response will be even more ridiculous than my past posts.

B19. You have knowingly been defending liars and as soon as there was any evidence thereof presented, you turned tail and ran. Where is your brainless management is infallible attitude now?

Mikey and his cronies would be getting away with much more in terms of illegal and unsafe operations had it not been for the IBT 1108. This is a fact that you have yet to dispute because you can't. However, you continue with your claims that management is on the forefront of safety and that the union is useless yet you refuse to address the issues point by point. Instead, you just reply with your trite unionlies.org web links.

I've never turned and ran, I just don't see anything in your posts that are worth responding to.

You clearly don't have a clue as to the inner workings of any business, much less one as complicated as an air carrier. Furthermore, your claims as to safety are drummed up by your union mob mentality to support the fake claims that a union is needed.

Nobody gets away with anything in this business. There are no hiding records or safety violations.

Every minute that a pilot works or flies is documented and there is a paper trail a mile long, as well as log book write ups etc.

Get off your high horse and fly the airplane. If you want to manage get off your horse and see if you can handle it. I doubt you can. The real vocal guys fold quickly under the pressure from the rank and file complaints once they realize how difficult it is. The goods ones that "get it" become just as anti-union as me because they suddenly get the big picture.

Defended liars? The only liars I've ever seen in this business are those that spit the union rhetoric to their fellow pilots. It's the only way they can justify their existence. I'll never defend a union supporter that would rather ruin my paycheck than support the company that offered them a job.

 

[WabiSabi]

I've never turned and ran, I just don't see anything in your posts that are worth responding to.

Your whole life is turning and running. You just did it again with your canned response. I can't ask you to use your little brain because there is zero basis behind your management is infallible position.

Furthermore, your claims as to safety are drummed up by your union mob mentality to support the fake claims that a union is needed.

No B19. Nothing has to be drummed up by the union as the company's safety transgressions are obvious. (here some of the points that you have skirted repeatedly and that you'll skirt again)

FLOPS management instituted the NTSB's circadian low period. The scheduling managers said that this was too restrictive to operations. So guess what? FLOPS ALTERED THE NTSB'S PERIOD FOR THEIR OWN CONVENVIENCE BY A HALF HOUR AT EACH END!

Management systematically intimidates the pilots into flying illegally. This has been shown to you by not only me.

Again, these have been repeatedly shown to you by people other than me yet, once again, you turned tail and ran under the guise that they aren't worth responding to. I don't expect this time to be an exception so I won't bother posting more.

Nobody gets away with anything in this business. There are no hiding records or safety violations.

Every minute that a pilot works or flies is documented and there is a paper trail a mile long, as well as log book write ups etc.

Boy! Are you naive! Again, your management is infallible notion shows your ignorance, junior. Why don't you tell the FLOPS pilot that was fired for writing up light bulbs that nobody gets away with anything in this business? (this business that you obviously don't know)

Get off your high horse and fly the airplane. If you want to manage get off your horse and see if you can handle it.

Even if you had a medical, I wouldn't trust someone that chooses to walk through life with blinders on with a weed whacker let alone human lives.

I don't have an MBA and I don't want to manage but, I do know how to tell the truth. I do have an honest work ethic and integrity. That already makes me more qualified than Scheeringa.

As for you, apparently you're just some low to mid level ass kisser lackey that can't even do a half decent job at propaganda let alone your management duties. After you lose your assignment as a message board instigator, perhaps they can put you in charge of refilling the staplers.

The goods ones that "get it" become just as anti-union as me because they suddenly get the big picture.

You can try to rationalize away your cowardice all you want but in the end, you're still spineless

Defended liars? The only liars I've ever seen in this business are those that spit the union rhetoric to their fellow pilots.

What??? This is more proof that you live in denial. Did you see the evidence of how Scheeringa was caught in his most recent lie? :smash:Are you saying that FLOPS management hasn't lied to its employees? Many examples have been shown to you in past posts and not only by me. Now you show your work.

I'll never defend a union supporter that would rather ruin my paycheck than support the company that offered them a job.

There is a big difference between supporting the company (which the union does) and supporting an inept management. As for ruining one's paycheck. It isn't the union that surreptitiously cuts pay.

Stop spending so much time on your airline management computer simulation game, grow a spine and face reality.

 

[netjetwife]

Bravo, Wabi!! You nailed it! Naturally, the word-twisting fudspinner ignores the reality that MS is a liar who can't be trusted.... (Birds of a feather?) Instead, he throws out a lot of chaff that has zero to do with the frac industry and the only union (so far) in it. He has been told politely, and bluntly, (a person without an agenda would have taken the hint) that his alleged past experience in another industry has no bearing here and now in this one.

B19's hypocritical posts reek with disrespect to family members and Union pilots who want to discuss the issues that directly impact them while he goes on and on about a subject that is irrelevant (long ago, far away) and shows a deep-seated (some say irrational) prejudice that makes a reasonable discussion with him impossible.

Questions generated by my discussions with frac pilots

Q: Why do posters refer to B19 as the "Village Idiot" ?

A: The nonsense and FUD he dumps on the board earned him that title. For example, B19's so far out of touch with reality that he points at a woman's black boots and starts rambling about Hitler and destruction when everyone else thinks of pirates and a sassy, fun attitude...

(Typical pilot responses ranged from YGBSM to outraged disgust.)

Q: What did the the frac community do to be cursed with this idiot (only term printable) spreading FUD?

A: The Options pilots are exercising a traditional and legal right to negotiate their salary and work under a binding contract. Fud and Harassment (F&H) agents are sitting across from them at the bargaining table representing the CEO who was recently exposed as a liar...

(It clicks right away and the pilots see exactly what's going on.)

 

[SilverSurfer]

Why!!!!!!!!!!

netjetwife and all,

Why do you all find it so necessary to continue to give this moron Bob/B19 a backboard to continue to bounce his BS. Frankly what he has to say is not worth the time to read it. You know his agenda, you know what he has to say is BS, and you know he is not what he represents himself to be. He is a poser from start to finish that has nothing of value to say.

 

[mxpilot2]

B19, you amaze me. What a bunch of CRAP!

I have nothing to gain by posting here, except to give info in support of those still there. But here's some more info for you.

I worked at Options before. I have seen, in this thread and others related to this strife, that many of the things that I saw then are still going on now. I just saw that someone that was there then that I had a conflict over safety and maintenance issues with is still there. But now is in a higher position than when I left. However, many who were there that shared a view of what is safe and held to the stated company line, have left, or were sent packing.

This same individual listed above that gave me crap professed to have been involved in aviation safety, formerly involved in military aviation safety (how, I don't know), and tried to lecture me on what aviation safety is. I hold a Certificate of Aviation Safety from USC, the credit hours for which are about as long as a masters'. Things he espoused ran headlong against what I had been taught, both in school, and in 20 years of in-the-field practice. Evidently, my views didn't jibe with getting the job done. He also put a crew and aircraft at Options in jeopardy over the same item he tried to pressure me to go with.

It isn't workable to have the company tell its laborers one thing, and secretly pressure them to do another. Therefore, pilots here may like to "get off their horse" and go "try to manage", but their style won't work in this environment, and they end up another casualty of this deception. Those who can run under the secret closet ops rules get promoted, and hence, have the power to make it miserable for the line pilots.

I've also noted that somehow, pilot pay has declined from what I was getting 6 years ago. And benefits cost 5 times as much. And rest is being neglected. (It was regarded as important when I was there, iit seemed then that they knew we were working hard on "their 8 days"). And for the record, when I gave them extra effort, they willingly gave me extra rest).

B19, you are a joke. You don't know near enough about this situation to have so much to say. Especially for an outsider. Unless you are the shill everyone thinks you are. Then you're just misguided.

I met one of the 1108 reps at a seminar last week, and came away impressed, even from a short conversation. He expressed genuine care and support for getting things done for the crews.

I will contnue to hold good thoughts for those struggling through at Options, that it will work out favorably for you in the end.

Regards,

Chris

 

[mxpilot2]

One more small piece of heresy here...

I wonder if bringing KR back (under the right set of circumstances) could turn the tide, save the ship, all them nautical terms for salvation of the effort.

Just wondering aloud. No flaming necessary.

C

 

[TurboHonda]

No

I wonder if bringing KR back (under the right set of circumstances) could turn the tide, save the ship, all them nautical terms for salvation of the effort.


C

Respectfully, NO.

Take the same hypothetical question (“I wonder if…?”) and substitute David Koresh, Jim Jones, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, your first wife, or any other failed or deposed person that might come to mind. All of them would be examples of situations that were in need of attention and usually became more complicated than the original problem.

Going back to the way it was is not a reasonable option.

 

[Frac Cap]

how about Herb Kelleher? I hear he will be available soon.

 

[netjetwife]

netjetwife and all,

Why do you all find it so necessary to continue to give this moron Bob/B19 a backboard to continue to bounce his BS. I can only speak for myself, but I worry that those less informed readers might fall into his FUD trap. Frankly what he has to say is not worth the time to read it. You know his agenda, you know what he has to say is BS, and you know he is not what he represents himself to be. Yes, we do but what about those pilots who just read and don't post? Have they followed what is happening? Do they recognize FUD when they see it? He is a poser from start to finish that has nothing of value to say.

I totally agree! However, FUD campaigns are sometimes effective otherwise union-busters wouldn't use them so aggressively and desperately, especially when they're trying to destroy the group's unity and will to prevail. That said, if the posting group votes to give the fudspinner the boot (place him on their ignore list) I will follow their lead. Then I'll switch to red boots and put a red anti-fud warning on the bottom of my posts...

Word-twisting fudspinners have an agenda -- not credibility. Give 'em the black boot!

 

[B19 Flyer]

Bravo, Wabi!! You nailed it! Naturally, the word-twisting fudspinner ignores the reality that MS is a liar who can't be trusted.... (Birds of a feather?) Instead, he throws out a lot of chaff that has zero to do with the frac industry and the only union (so far) in it. He has been told politely, and bluntly, (a person without an agenda would have taken the hint) that his alleged past experience in another industry has no bearing here and now in this one.

B19's hypocritical posts reek with disrespect to family members and Union pilots who want to discuss the issues that directly impact them while he goes on and on about a subject that is irrelevant (long ago, far away) and shows a deep-seated (some say irrational) prejudice that makes a reasonable discussion with him impossible.

Questions generated by my discussions with frac pilots

Q: Why do posters refer to B19 as the "Village Idiot" ?

A: The nonsense and FUD he dumps on the board earned him that title. For example, B19's so far out of touch with reality that he points at a woman's black boots and starts rambling about Hitler and destruction when everyone else thinks of pirates and a sassy, fun attitude...

(Typical pilot responses ranged from YGBSM to outraged disgust.)

Q: What did the the frac community do to be cursed with this idiot (only term printable) spreading FUD?

A: The Options pilots are exercising a traditional and legal right to negotiate their salary and work under a binding contract. Fud and Harassment (F&H) agents are sitting across from them at the bargaining table representing the CEO who was recently exposed as a liar...

(It clicks right away and the pilots see exactly what's going on.)

I rightfully compared you to the greatest propaganda artist of all time, Hitler, simply on the basis of your stupid boot references.

The pirate reference to yourself is even a better comparison because of your union support. I’ve always thought of unions as a group that invades, plunders, pillages and takes by force wages and funds that isn’t rightfully theirs. THE RLA is the vehicle, but unions use methods that cripple a company to get what they want.

To consider you with the greatest pirates of all time would be appropriate. It is much more fitting because that is exactly what a union does each time they attack a company with complete disregard to the collateral damage that may occur. Thank you for that reference.

Each time I expose one of your thoughtless, callous and disgusting statements that clearly shows the overwhelming disrespect you have of career choices made by the hard working non-pilot employees at NJ and other fractionals you fight back with volumes of nonsense.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. You have been burned by a union, yet you continue to support. Who really is the village idiot here? I no longer work for a union company. There is no idiot in this post.
You have a dangerous win-lose attitude that can destroy an entire industry.

You believe that volunteers should be paid for not flying and supporting the union rather than producing revenue for the company they work for. Nonsense.

You attack me like a high school bully using names like fudspinner, village idiot and wordtwister because you have no other way to deal with the honesty of the opinions I have that are thought of but never spoken by the average non-pilot employee burned by a union.

Your posts are immature, selfish and self serving even though your only involvement is being the wife of a pilot. Success by 1108 at FLOPS will line the wallets of 1108 leadership with the hard earned dues of it’s members and place the company at risk.

You have nothing to be proud of.