Our "Team" leader out to lunch

[jetwash]

No, you haven't answered anything. I vaguely seem to recall you saying something along the lines of how you just enjoy the lively debate, or some such thing. But that's not an answer on why you're targeting only FLOPS threads.

. Or has everyone already gotten it right? Hired goon?

If you notice he joined flightinfo just before the negotiations started then stopped for a while and just recently started posting again.

You hit the nail on the head. He is just posting here because it is his job and he is getting paid for it.

Of the few pilots at FLOPS who are not supporting the union none have the dedication as he does to argue against a contract unless they are going to get something out of us not having a contract.

After we get a contract he will go away.

He is just a hired stooge.

 

[WabiSabi]

Please stop.... you never really make sense anyway.

sorry about your reading comprehension issues

 

[imacdog]

If you notice he joined flightinfo just before the negotiations started then stopped for a while and just recently started posting again.

You hit the nail on the head. He is just posting here because it is his job and he is getting paid for it.

Of the few pilots at FLOPS who are not supporting the union none have the dedication as he does to argue against a contract unless they are going to get something out of us not having a contract.

After we get a contract he will go away.

He is just a hired stooge.

Remember he went after the Avantair guys when they were thinking about unionizing. He hasn't kept up with them though, so maybe Avantair ran out of their union busting budget?

 

[WabiSabi]

Remember he went after the Avantair guys when they were thinking about unionizing. He hasn't kept up with them though, so maybe Avantair ran out of their union busting budget?

It shouldn't take much of budget to pay B19. He's doing a pretty lame job of being a propaganda machine and spinmeister.

 

[chingaso]

I agree. I had the same thought when it was suggested that this B19 was a compensated union-buster. I think that he's not getting paid, because he's doing such a crappy job at it. If I were to pay someone to propagandize against a union effort, I'd damn sure want a better spokesperson. The only thing I think that B19 and Bob Tyler have in common is that nobody takes either of them seriously any more, because they've both lied away all their credibility.

But then again, its the Flight Options way to pay money to incompetent office people, and ignore the horrendous job they do, and blame the woes on phantoms that don't exist, while using metrics to delusionally create the illusion of progress.

I would imagine Mr. Sheeringa is a little stressed these days. He only knows how to cut muscle, and hasn't a clue as to how to create actual profit through actual revenue. There's a nostalgic idea: the increase of profit the old-fashioned way, increased revenue! You don't sell a multi-million dollar asset and call that profit. You don't lose hundreds of pilots, and call the reduced labor-cost profit. And you don't, for heaven's sake, do something as pathetic as embracing the "eat your young" mentality of taking from your own employees and calling that 'profit.' By being so sick as to view your employees as a source of revenue. That's as pitiful as a weakling who would borrow $20 from his mother to buy her a $9 Mother's Day gift, then pats himself on the back for having money left over.

I'm guessing that HIG will, or has, grown tired of the dog-and-pony show that Sanjay puts on with all his graphs and charts that used to dazzle the Board of Directors. They're probably going to get to the point where they say "ok ok, enough with the metrics, we don't give a sh!t about your crew alignment numbers, what about revenue!?!? Where's all the money going???"

(and where are all the customers going, and where are all the employees going).

 

[GerryG]

So now B19 wants to educate us about management road shows and negotiations. He claims management doesn't expect anyone to show up for their meetings. How, I wonder does he explain why "M" sent out a e-mail prior to his trip to DAL, admonishing the union's boycott stance and inviting pilots to attend his meeting. He seemed kind of desperate to me. As I said earlier his vanity was showing and he expected to show the union that he could draw a crowd with his email. He gambled and lost, which I think shows how out of touch he is with our pilot group. Also I wonder how B19 explains the fact that "M" could not look the pilots who snubbed him, in the eye after the meeting. Or why did he slunk out of the hotel afterwards looking like his dog just died?

Oh, and we don't understand the way negotiations work? I wonder if he has ever served on a management negotiating committee under the RLA? Not expecting a strait answer. He seems to assert that the union's negotiators would want to drag out the process. Why would any pilot, in his right mind want to delay the additional pay and favorable work rules that will inevitably stem from a contract? Why would management want to delay, the answer is obvious.

This guy is a rank amateur, F&H must have plucked him from their NLRA cadre. I suggest he go back to busting the truck driver's or grocery store clerk's unions.

 

[FR8DOG777]

Pee on B1.9

Flight options will be easier to shut down than Eastern, you know that great utopian non-union airline that doesn't exist. Little hitler, A.K.A. Mikie Scheeringa opened up the eastern front, no pun intended Bwhatever, when he began his attack on the pilots. It is all fun and games from here on out, because many of guys have plan B and C already in place. Death to Options. Don't remember who said it but I couldn't agree more; Flight options has always sucked, sucks now, and will eternally forever suck! You and your fud packing ford and harrison goons had better start packing.

 

[netjetwife]

.... Before you label me as a FUD, or scab, or troll, or whatever else you guys use, just try to look at it objectively and without all that management hate that usually accompanies unions. ....the most important thing in a disagreement, communication. I think you meeting with "M" would be a good thing, maybe something good would come of it. With respect, Thank you.

Skanza, while you are being respectful could you please speak of the only fractional union with facts instead of generalizations? 1108 has set an example for working with management that should be emulated by both sides at Options. Firmness and fairness won the day. Let me remind you that when NJA management quit dragging their heels and treated the NJ pilots fairly labor strife ended and joint committees were born. After the 2005 CBA was signed things improved so much that IBB '07 produced more gains for all involved. If Options management would follow the lead of NJA they would see that their pilots can give credit--and respect--where it's due.

The reality is that those who act like doormats (by this I refer to previously and/or currently apathetic pilots) do get walked on and aren't respected. It took time for NJA management to understand that the NJ pilotgroup had changed, but when the pilots stood firm they earned respect. While a time of transition is to be expected it should be much shorter for Flt Ops managers because a road map has been provided to them by NJA who has already navigated around the potholes. Smart managers learn from the mistakes of others so the frustration we see here from burned-out Options pilots is entirely understandable.

You noted the importance of communication and I agree with you. That said, your advice for the pilots to attend meetings that won't bring their contract nearer are counter-productive. "M" needs to get the message that the serious talks need to happen at the bargaining table--the more the better. He claims that he respects the pilotgroup, but it doesn't ring true. Let him put his money where his mouth is and advocate paying the pilots like the professionals they are! Otherwise his talk is as cheap as an Options paycheck...

 

[netjetwife]

I guess MS is feeling the heat, before he just sent the stooges to hold the meetings now he is going.

I smell desperation.

I agree and it reminds me of tactics the NJ pilots saw before management wised up and realized that they were being penny wise but pound foolish. I posted then that it's always darker before the dawn. That is true for the Options pilots, too. I think your group is beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Congratulations on getting your message across that you are only interested in talks that take place at the bargaining table. Way to go, guys!!
Cheering from the sidelines,
Netjetwife

When you have to bring attention to your cause don't be afraid to stand tall and kick up a fuss.

 

[netjetwife]

.... A pilot contract would help but the culture created by the arrogant/egotistical/unethical management is really the problem. A fair contract would be an excellent first step in changing the culture. That is exactly what happened at NJA. The most arrogant in management aren't able to change their thinking and those types often end up leaving--or get invited to do so. Would probably take a miracle at this point to turn Options around. It's amazing how much difference a motivated pilot group can make. Success at the bargaining table can lead to greater accomplishments. After all, hammering out a fair contract teaches both sides how to work together and shows them how much good they can accomplish when they do.

.... but if you told any one of us 6 years ago that this is what the company would have looked like now, we would have certainly bailed. ....

I dare say that if you had told the NJ pilots 6 years ago that they would have the contract they have today very few of them would have believed you. There is an increasing demand for experienced pilots and service in the airlines seems to be decreasing. I think the problems at Options aren't as dire as you predict, but I do know that it's easy to get discouraged in an uphill battle. I hope that you can take heart from your group's recent show of solidarity. The Options pilotgroup is doing the right thing for your company, yourselves, your families, and your peers in the industry. I admire you all for the stand you are taking. Best Wishes! NJW