US Airways Bombardier Agree on Removal

[WSurf]

cheaper wins.

Why does that statement make me sick to my stomach????

 

[crjskipper]

fact, just a fact. if it was all about comfort they would seat all planes with 1 seat on each side of a single aisle. efficiency is king and the 170 is less efficient than a 700 or 900.

 

[WSurf]

fact, just a fact. if it was all about comfort they would seat all planes with 1 seat on each side of a single aisle. efficiency is king and the 170 is less efficient than a 700 or 900.

No arguement there. Thats why I believe that TurboProps will be making a king of a comeback.

Cheaper wins made me think of all the regional airlines that have bid against each other to win flying. Hopefully those days of the low balling are soon over.

 

[Popeye0537]

the 900 in two class gets better marks from pax at DAL then the 170. more important is the fact that the 700 and 900 burn far better than the 170. the e jets have been off target on performance since start. the 700 has far better speed and burn, gets higher faster. the 900 sips a little more than the 700, and weighs less than the 170 with the same motors. cheaper wins.

The 900 gets better marks than the 170? When was the last time you actually rode in the rear of a 900? Only with the First class seat does it come close to the 170, but close is about it.

Did you do the projections for performance for mother D.....how do you know What is expected performance. The 170 will smoke the 700/900 to altitude.....the only thing that the 700/900 is better at is fuel burn, low pay and pissed off pax!

 

[crjskipper]

customer surveys, dal does them often and the info is relatively easy to get - the coach seats in dals 900 have a ton of leg room - only 76 seats - mesa shoehorns 88 or something like that. Not sure what you are referencing but the 700 and 900 (with 76 seats) smokes a 170 anytime, climb, cruise - show some numbers. the 170 also gets poor grades for finish (cheaper cabin materials). i agree that the 170 cabin is nice and the seats are wider, but the legroom is much better on a 900. the 700 is tighter, but i dont think 170s cruise at 410 at .81 very often.

try to get a 170 out of EYW in the summer with close to full loads - never gonna happen. and i have yet to meet any 70+ seat operator who makes more than I do (asa 13 year pay) - save for horizon and it took that guy a lot longer to make 700 cap than i did.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

customer surveys, dal does them often and the info is relatively easy to get - the coach seats in dals 900 have a ton of leg room - only 76 seats - mesa shoehorns 88 or something like that. Not sure what you are referencing but the 700 and 900 (with 76 seats) smokes a 170 anytime, climb, cruise - show some numbers. the 170 also gets poor grades for finish (cheaper cabin materials). i agree that the 170 cabin is nice and the seats are wider, but the legroom is much better on a 900. the 700 is tighter, but i dont think 170s cruise at 410 at .81 very often.

try to get a 170 out of EYW in the summer with close to full loads - never gonna happen. and i have yet to meet any 70+ seat operator who makes more than I do (asa 13 year pay) - save for horizon and it took that guy a lot longer to make 700 cap than i did.

Departed key west plenty of times with full loads. No problems......so your argument was what again?

 

[crjskipper]

oh yes, from fll, i forgot - you can fly full 200s to fll with so little gas - lets compare apples to apples

 

[Bluestreak]

and i have yet to meet any 70+ seat operator who makes more than I do (asa 13 year pay) - save for horizon and it took that guy a lot longer to make 700 cap than i did.

Really ? The highest 13 year ASA pay at Airlinepilotcentral.com is $89,Republic $99.See for yourself:
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/republic.html

 

[crjskipper]

how many 13 year captains ya got there?

 

[Bluestreak]

how many 13 year captains ya got there?

Not many-most of them have better sense than to hang around that long.