Airtran upgraded on consolidation outlook with Southwest

[RDG]

Your understanding of the new merger law and seniority integrations leaves much to be desired. But this "critter" isn't exactly thrilled about the prospect of merging with SWA anyway.

What that law will mean in practice won't be determined until it is tested in the courts. How laws read on paper is rarely how they look on film.

 

[Wesb737fo]

It might take multiple IOEs. I'm sure I'd have to call for push at least twice. "Value Jet 123 push with Oscar. Oops. Citrus 123 push with Oscar."

Apparently you don't have much of a clue Mr. Airforce dude. You need to let go of the value jet thing.

A sub-contractor intentionally mislabeled and loaded as COMAT a box of o2 generators on a DC-9 back in 1996. As a result the aircraft caught fire, (due to no fault of Value Jet) crashed and all perished. Now 121 aircraft are required to have fire detection and protection installed.

So please, let's not get into this game of whose company has deposited more airframes across the landscape due to crew error, mx error or whatever reason. Before you post, read up, get a clue and stop acting like a clown.

With your attitude, I hope I never have to fly with you.

 

[CitationLover]

i am sure oil prices are providing management with all the ammo they will need for screw job: the sequel.

 

[mullet]

It might take multiple IOEs. I'm sure I'd have to call for push at least twice. "Value Jet 123 push with Oscar. Oops. Citrus 123 push with Oscar."

I completely agree with you. You will need additional IOE. Hopefully by the end of IOE, you will figure out you give the ATIS to ground, not ramp!

 

[PCL_128]

an arbitrator will decide what is economically fair based on career expectations etc...

Exactly! An arbitrator will decide! And do you honestly think an arbitrator is going to force Captains to be displaced to the right seat? Sorry, not gonna happen. If this merger happens (God forbid), then get used to the idea of pulling gear for Ty Webb.

 

[Kharma Police]

Your understanding of the new merger law and seniority integrations leaves much to be desired. But this "critter" isn't exactly thrilled about the prospect of merging with SWA anyway.

What's wrong with you!?!, you don't want to do a three day without leaving the great state of Texas?

 

[j41driver]

BTW, mx had nothing to do with Jackson Hole.

OK...now can you please tell me how the VJ crash had anything to do with MX issues?

 

[Kharma Police]

Frankly, I'm not really for a merger with Critter since they don't bring much to the table (payrates, attitude, scabs, etc..) but who knows crazier things have happened. I'm giving it less than a 10% chance.

I don't think our fleets would mix well, our 737s don't have the sunroof option.

 

[Ty Webb]

If I remember correctly, a 5 yr Airtran Capt makes as much a 5 Yr Southwest FO.

Only if the FO in question is a complete whore.



PS., "Critter" went out when you were still in diapers, and your mother was looking at all the neighbors, trying to figure out where your misshapen head and pitifully tiny genitalia came from.

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[DonVerita]

Frankly, I'm not really for a merger with Critter since they don't bring much to the table (payrates, attitude, scabs, etc..) but who knows crazier things have happened. I'm giving it less than a 10% chance.

Attitude? YGTBSM. With an attitude like the one you just displayed, I doubt any of us could top that. Just by your use of the word, "Critter", it shows how bias and hateful you are towards fellow pilots. This company is AirTran Airways, not ValueJet and the call sign is "Citrus". Get it straight.

As for bringing something to the table - Hmmm...let's see. Access to the busiest airport in the country serving a major metropolitan area which would most likely be SWA's largest hub. What else? 137 new to fairly new Boeing jets with another 60 737's on order. Business class seating and dedicated assigned seating as opposed to a cattle car. Yeah...I guess we bring nothing to the table.

Scabs? Only a handful left. Most are gone. The ones who do remain hide in the corner. How many does SWA have on property?

Glad to see you are not in charge of this potential merger.

 

[canyonblue]

Only if the FO in question is a complete whore.

Possibly not, looking at hourly pay:

SWA 5th year FO: $119/hr AAI 5th year CA $120/hr

SWA 6th year FO: $122/hr AAI 6th year CA $124/hr

I could see it equaling out, if anyone cares.

 

[Red Baron]

Sorry, but this is driving me nuts. I used to work for ValuJet years ago, not ValueJet. Continue...................

 

[Lear70]

You know, if you had personally known someone on that flight, say, the CA or the F/O who fought a battle all the way to the ground that, unbeknownst to them, was going to kill them and every single person on the aircraft because some cheap piece of sh*t would try to circumvent the cost of shipping O2 generators that weren't completely depleted and save a few bucks, I doubt you'd be bringing it up.

People lost their lives.

Have a little respect.

 

[Red Baron]

You know, if you had personally known someone on that flight, say, the CA or the F/O who fought a battle all the way to the ground that, unbeknownst to them, was going to kill them and every single person on the aircraft because some cheap piece of sh*t would try to circumvent the cost of shipping O2 generators that weren't completely depleted and save a few bucks, I doubt you'd be bringing it up.

People lost their lives.

Have a little respect.

Please disregard if this comment was not directed to me. Why do you instantly think that by bringing up my old company, I am trashing it? I worked with great people, and we endured many months of the FAA probing our ops. In the end, ValuJet shut down operations in Nashville and we lost our jobs. Small price to pay due to many lives lost. I enjoyed my time there. I know many of you will think of ValuJet as the airline that had the crash, I think of it differently.

As far as me bringing it up, Valujet has been mentioned in this thread numerous times. ValuJet merged with AirTran and dropped its name due to the mud that had been slung at it by the FAA and press.

Sorry if you felt there was ill will.

 

[75M]

RB,

I don't think that was meant for you.

 

[Lear70]

RB, wasn't for you, it was for our "friends" who keep bringing it up in a negative context to either disparage our pilots, maintenance, or the company in general.

 

[400ADude]

Only if the FO in question is a complete whore.



PS., "Critter" went out when you were still in diapers, and your mother was looking at all the neighbors, trying to figure out where your misshapen head and pitifully tiny genitalia came from.

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Actually, a complete whore would make closer to 180000. Been a whore before.

I still say whatever, it ain't going to happen but I am posting so there could be a chance albeit a slim one.

PS., Talk about genitalia, you ain't got any.

 

[jke406]

A sub-contractor intentionally mislabeled and loaded as COMAT a box of o2 generators on a DC-9 back in 1996. As a result the aircraft caught fire, (due to no fault of Value Jet) crashed and all perished. Now 121 aircraft are required to have fire detection and protection installed.

wasn't that subcontractor a function of value jet/air tran trying to cut corners by finding the most incompetent, cut-rate service possible, without regard for its competence?

"Due to no fault of Value Jet?" Are you kidding me? Value Jet sold the ticket. Value jet is responsible. Nice rationalization, though.

If it wasn't Value Jet's fault, then why are you Air Tran now?

 

[jke406]

So please, let's not get into this game of whose company has deposited more airframes across the landscape due to crew error, mx error or whatever reason.

I find Tanker Clown to be a rather poor reflection on our military as well, with no chance of getting hired anywhere....but you're wrong on this.

I know a bunch of mil guys who have been hired everywhere (legacy, cargo, fracs) with a fraction of the time their civilian peers have.

So I'd say the industry, or at least the hiring departments, aren't too worried about mil guys "depositing airframes across the landscape" as you arrogantly stated.

 

[Kharma Police]

wasn't that subcontractor a function of value jet/air tran trying to cut corners by finding the most incompetent, cut-rate service possible, without regard for its competence?

"Due to no fault of Value Jet?" Are you kidding me? Value Jet sold the ticket. Value jet is responsible. Nice rationalization, though.

If it wasn't Value Jet's fault, then why are you Air Tran now?

Don't worry or be ashamed where you work, please tell us, you're among friends!

 

[Lear70]

"Due to no fault of Value Jet?" Are you kidding me? Value Jet sold the ticket. Value jet is responsible. Nice rationalization, though.

If it wasn't Value Jet's fault, then why are you Air Tran now?

Wow... I didn't realize you were on the accident investigation committee. If these were your thoughts, why didn't they make it into the final report?

Please, I'm sure we'd all love to hear your explanation about how EVERY package is opened and inspected by qualified, trained maintenance personnel to ascertain the contents and their status.

I mean, FedEx does that EVERY time when you go to a FedEx location to ship, right? Oh,,, they don't. Well, certainly UPS does, right? Hmmm... OK, the USPS would HAVE to since they're government employees and I'm absolutely positive they keep a maintenance tech around who would know how to identify depleted vs. still full O2 generators.

Yep, it's the airline's fault. How foolish of us.

I would absolutely LOVE to know who you are and where you work... please tell us. We just want to know so we can all nominate you for the C.P. gig...

 

[jke406]

Yep, it's the airline's fault. How foolish of us.

If the company is too incompetent and/or negligent to hold its contractors accountable and a crash results, you're GD right it's the airline's fault. No matter which airline it is.

But it was Value Jet in this case.

Those pax bought a ticket from Value Jet, not Billy Bob's Cannister Service and Bait Shop.

I assume from your angry response that Value Jet was completely exonerated of all wrongdoing in that incident. Is that correct?

 

[Kharma Police]

If the company is too incompetent to hold its contractors accountable and a crash results, you're GD right it's the airline's fault. No matter which airline it is.

But it was Value Jet in this case.

Those pax bought a ticket from Value Jet, not Billy Bob's Cannister Service.

I assume from your angry response that Value Jet was completely exonerated of all wrongdoing in that incident. Is that correct?

I got it!!!! You're "Scary" Mary Schiavo!!!!

 

[islandhoper]

If the company is too incompetent to hold its contractors accountable and a crash results, you're GD right it's the airline's fault. No matter which airline it is.

But it was Value Jet in this case.

Those pax bought a ticket from Value Jet, not Billy Bob's Cannister Service.

Damn right! And the poor people that died on 911 have to blame the bastards at United and American since they sold the tickets. What the hell are we doing in Irak?

Quite a statement huh?

So what airline if any do you work at?

 

[jke406]

The question was whether Value Jet was absolved of all wrongdoing.

Anyone?

I'm guessing from the huffing and puffing and changing of the subject (and the fact that it had to rename itself Air Tran) that the answer might be "no."

 

[Kharma Police]

The question was whether Value Jet was absolved of all wrongdoing.

Anyone?

I'm guessing from the huffing and puffing and changing of the subject (and the fact that it had to rename itself Air Tran) that the answer might be "no."

ValuJet was guilty for not properly supervising one of it's contractors (SabreTech). So, with that cleared up, why don't you, "huff and puff" and tell us which virtual airline you fly for?

 

[jke406]

ValuJet was guilty for not properly supervising one of it's contractors

Did you get that, Lear70?

 

[Ty Webb]

JKE- what a putz!

Did you get that, Lear70?

Hey, JKE- what the hell is wrong with you? You're spending your time in an AirTran thread arguing about something that happened 11 years ago that no one on this board was responsible for?

HELLO= wake up call- if you don't like AirTran, that's fine, but until you have the balls to say who you work for, kindly screw off.

 

[jke406]

yes, sir. I'll be sure to follow another anonymous poster's worthless advice.

 

[Kharma Police]

yes, sir. I'll be sure to follow another anonymous poster's worthless advice.

Ha! Ha! Ha!, chickin' s__t!!!